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Question Should We Change Our Constitution?

Under the bill of rights our constitution was changed, the first amendment to our constitution states....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

BTW this in no way says there needs to be a serperation of church and state. Personally I think that by congress making laws against prayer in school, or any place else is a violation of my rights to practice my freedom of religion, and also violates my freedom of speech. And is also in itself a violation of the constitution.

I also want you to know I'm not serious about changing the constitution, I'm just playing on the same argument that others are playing on about our Pledge of Allegiance.

Our Constitution was changed after it was written, things were added to it. to me that makes it no different than the Pledge Of Allegiance.

So if you want to take "under God" out of the pledge of allegiance, because it wasn't there to begin with, should we also take out anything else that has changed any document during the history of the United States?

The fact that the words "under God" was added to our pledge speaks about our history, It didn't change history when it happened, It was history in the making.

 
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  There exist no laws forbidding prayer in school. Any child, or adult, is free to pray at anytime, provided they are non-disruptive.

 
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Originally posted by Morat
  There exist no laws forbidding prayer in school. Any child, or adult, is free to pray at anytime, provided they are non-disruptive.

 
This is true Morat, but there are so many out there trying to make us believe otherwise.
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  People lie for power. Sometimes they claim to be men of integrity, or even men of God. But if they lie about one thing, why wouldn't they lie about another?

 
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Under the bill of rights our constitution was changed
The First Amendment did not change the Constitution. The Bill of Rights did not change the Constitution. It was appended to the Constitution.

Change is not always good. IMHO, in the case of "under God" being added, it was bad. On the other hand, change is not always bad.
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Re: Should We Change Our Constitution?

Originally posted by GraftMeIn
BTW this in no way says there needs to be a serperation of church and state. Personally I think that by congress making laws against prayer in school, or any place else is a violation of my rights to practice my freedom of religion, and also violates my freedom of speech. And is also in itself a violation of the constitution. 
GAH!

You. Can. Pray. In. School. If. You. Want.

Others. Simply. Can't. Be. Forced. To.

Get it? Get it?
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Originally posted by ashibaka


The First Amendment did not change the Constitution. The Bill of Rights did not change the Constitution. It was appended to the Constitution.

Anytime you add to something, or take away from it, it is in fact changing it.



Change is not always good. IMHO, in the case of "under God" being added, it was bad. On the other hand, change is not always bad.
It does no harm to anyone by being there, so IMHO it's not a bad thing. wanting to take it out is only a sign of things to come

 

 
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Re: Re: Should We Change Our Constitution?

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


GAH!

You. Can. Pray. In. School. If. You. Want.

Others. Simply. Can't. Be. Forced. To.

Get it? Get it?
I understand that. The thing is that when a group of children get together in school and decided they want to gather and pray together, too often they are told they can't do it on school property, and the reason given is always seperation of church and state, something that realy doesn't even exist.

 

 
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Originally posted by Morat
  People lie for power. Sometimes they claim to be men of integrity, or even men of God. But if they lie about one thing, why wouldn't they lie about another?

 
That's for sure! 

 once I've been lied to by someone, I have a very hard time trusting any thing else they have to say, for the very same reasons you just mentioned.
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It certainly does exist. You are right that the constitution does not specifically mention it, but the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of separation ever since the initial years of the republic.

Also, I agree that sometimes people go too far in church-state separation. It's sometimes a thin line. For example, IIRC the courts have ruled that even "moments of silence" during which prayer can be said are not allowed in school. I question whether this goes too far.

But we Christians need not worry, the Christian religion dominates American society so much even in the secular sphere that piddly things like removing "under god" from the pledge are not going to endanger the religion.

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