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That's enough reason for me not to try to enlighten you. Have a good life.
I've been fooled before so therefore you won't let me in on the real story? Do you only preach to the choir?
Does this mean you will stop with the threats?
But watch out for the next step.
Guess not.
__________________ Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. - Mother Teresa
That's enough reason for me not to try to enlighten you. Have a good life. But watch out for the next step.
And, having completely failed to provide any support for any of his claims, having sidestepped mightily in an attempt to avoid the responsibility to provide tha support, kenneth558 leaves, with the old "there's no point providing support, your mind is already made up" exit line.
Boring.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
And, having completely failed to provide any support for any of his claims, having sidestepped mightily in an attempt to avoid the responsibility to provide tha support, kenneth558 leaves, with the old "there's no point providing support, your mind is already made up" exit line.
Boring.
And it helps when the mind is made up by the presence of facts rather than the absence (refusal) of them..... :rolleyes:
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
And it helps when the mind is made up by the presence of facts rather than the absence (refusal) of them..... :rolleyes:
I haven't seen any facts, so I try to keep a fairly open mind. To me that means not believing stories of events which are conveniently undocumented or which never seem to happen under controlled circumstances.
What criteria do you use for evaluating the validity of a claim? What must occur before you believe someone's claim?
__________________ Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. - Mother Teresa
Correction: you refuse to engage yourself in primary research. That makes you not worthy of a college degree in any field of science.
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
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Correction: you refuse to engage yourself in primary research. That makes you not worthy of a college degree in any field of science.
Having done a quick journal search, there are no studies that suggest that recovery is related to prayer. Except, of course, in cases where there is psycological factors, and the patient knows he's being prayed for.
To the contrary, I found studies that showed that there is no difference between prayer and no prayer.
Having done a quick journal search, there are no studies that suggest that recovery is related to prayer. Except, of course, in cases where there is psycological factors, and the patient knows he's being prayed for.
To the contrary, I found studies that showed that there is no difference between prayer and no prayer.
Alright, alright! I'll do your research for you. My minimum charge is $10,000.00. (I'm not joking) If you can't afford me, quit asking.
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
You don't get "cured" of MS without suffering the symptoms.
That's true. There are plenty of people who do not get sick in the first place and there are plenty of studies that show the benifit of "religion".
The miracles is one of restoration. When things do not go right, and people get sick, somehow it can all be turned around and people can get back on track again.
Most of the doctors that I talk to are not so sure as the people on this board seem to think they are. It is really a best guess situation. Far to often they do not even know what the problem is when people go to them looking for help. And far to often they are not even sure there is a medical problem.
The bottom line is, you people have to much confidence in what medical science can do for people and not enough confidence in what God is able to do to help people in their time of need.
Having done a quick journal search, there are no studies that suggest that recovery is related to prayer.
Are you trying to suggest that a placebo is somehow more effective than prayer? Every drug study that has ever been done, shows the benifit of a placebo. Prayer should at least be as effective as that, if people have as much confidence in their prayer as they do the placebo.
If a witch doctor waves a stick, dances a dance, and sings a song, you still get a placebo effect and some people do recover. Of course the body is pretty good at mending itself and a lot of conditions just have to run their course.
Alright, alright! I'll do your research for you. My minimum charge is $10,000.00. (I'm not joking).
It would be worth every penny of it, if you could actually deliver what you claim you can deliver. There are people who get million dollar research grants and don't really deliver anything.
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