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With all these miracle healings happening, '[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]! HE HAD A CANCER THEN IT DISAPEARED' you'd think there would be a difference in cancer mortality statistics between christians and non.
A thread on the believer side of the forum was used as a praise thread for those of us who have been healed by God at one time or another
Disturbing.
Some of the items appear to be misattributions, and one - a person being healed of MS - I frankly don't believe at all. The symptoms of MS may halt temporarily, but I've never heard of a single cure. I suspect the person is exadgerating a lapse into a cure, or just doesn't understand the issues.
Anyway, stories of miracles by people so unabashedly biased is hardly convincing. The only half-way decent claim I've seen is of an indian mystic who claims to not require food or water, and was placed under observation for a month to prove it. But the fact that David Blaine can do the same thing makes the mystic's claims much less convincing.
__________________ Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. - Mother Teresa
Im curious, how do you distinquish between nature and god?
It all depends....But read the posts yourself and see.
I give you credit for being serious, Arikay. Correct?
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
Some of the items appear to be misattributions, and one - a person being healed of MS - I frankly don't believe at all. The symptoms of MS may halt temporarily, but I've never heard of a single cure. I suspect the person is exadgerating a lapse into a cure, or just doesn't understand the issues.
Anyway, stories of miracles by people so unabashedly biased is hardly convincing. The only half-way decent claim I've seen is of an indian mystic who claims to not require food or water, and was placed under observation for a month to prove it. But the fact that David Blaine can do the same thing makes the mystic's claims much less convincing.
This is EXACTLY why we don't bother praising the Lord in front of unbelievers. This is EXACTLY why we don't call the news media on these healings. This is EXACTLY why y'all ignorantly say that the whole world would know about it if God was healing people!
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
This is EXACTLY why we don't bother praising the Lord in front of unbelievers. This is EXACTLY why we don't call the news media on these healings. This is EXACTLY why y'all ignorantly say that the whole world would know about it if God was healing people!
This is EXACTLY why we don't bother praising the Lord in front of unbelievers. This is EXACTLY why we don't call the news media on these healings. This is EXACTLY why y'all ignorantly say that the whole world would know about it if God was healing people!
Well, fair enough. Still, if you have a genuine healing, like the MS cure, or the new eyeball I heard here a couple months back, that would carry a lot more force than a thousand missionaries. Isn't it your duty to spread the word? If god actually went out of his way to do something obvious and unambigous, why hide it?
__________________ Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. - Mother Teresa
Yep I have been, and they are good stories. However, people seem to jump very quickly to "it was a miracle, god did it." Obviously I can't prove that god didn't do it. But you have to admit that the conclusion that it was a miracle seems to be jumped to very fast, especially when most people don't know many facts about the cases. It seems like the persons opinion is the decision maker on whether it was a lucky event or a miracle by god.
Its also worther noting that from an objective point, it appears people make another jump from "it was a miracle" to "it was a miracle performed by the christian god."
On a side note, Ozzy probably should have died in his recent ATV crash, yet he lived, I wonder if that was just luck, or does god really like the Osbourn show?
Originally Posted by kenneth558
It all depends....But read the posts yourself and see.
I give you credit for being serious, Arikay. Correct?
Well, fair enough. Still, if you have a genuine healing, like the MS cure, or the new eyeball I heard here a couple months back, that would carry a lot more force than a thousand missionaries. Isn't it your duty to spread the word? If god actually went out of his way to do something obvious and unambigous, why hide it?
Now I'm giving you credit for being serious, michabo. You ask a question that the Lord answers in His word. Jesus said that various unbelievers would not believe even though someone came alive from the dead. Sure, some will, as happened after Lazarus was raised. But God does guarantee, not that unbelievers will become believers, but that they at least will fall on their faces in worship and declaration of God's presence when they attend a church service where all the believers prophesy. Chew on that one.
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
Yep I have been, and they are good stories. However, people seem to jump very quickly to "it was a miracle, god did it." Obviously I can't prove that god didn't do it. But you have to admit that the conclusion that it was a miracle seems to be jumped to very fast, especially when most people don't know many facts about the cases. It seems like the persons opinion is the decision maker on whether it was a lucky event or a miracle by god.
Its also worther noting that from an objective point, it appears people make another jump from "it was a miracle" to "it was a miracle performed by the christian god."
On a side note, Ozzy probably should have died in his recent ATV crash, yet he lived, I wonder if that was just luck, or does god really like the Osbourn show?
First, use of the term "christian god" connotes that Christians own God; that He is on their side; that Christians have staked out ownership of God. The reality is that Christians don't have a claim on God - God has a claim...on everything.
As far as whether or not "God did it", I tell the story of Job (its also a book in your Bible named after this man). God let satan attack Job and mess him up bad. But even when satan instigated the evil work, God knew "the buck stops here" with God Himself. God said that He actually was the one who harmed Job! So if you're afraid of praising God for something He didn't do, fear not!
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
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