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pronounced dead (no signs of life, such as a heart beat) and then some 30 AFTER she was pronounced dead began breathing
It happens every day in a hospital. You aren't rushing to make them all god given miracles, are you?
Originally Posted by saltoearth
People who are afraid the truth are COWARDS. You are afraid to have faith in GOD, if you did, then you would be accountable to someone besides yourself.
Stop lieing, it's not really a good way to convert people.
Originally Posted by AfricaWim
This was an interesting read and I thank you, but before I go to bed I would like to leave you with this on a less serious note:
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So even if power of prayer is unproven....I have a good chance of living longer than you....Hehe..God BLess
Having a pet has the same effect : P
It's been proven that having a happy outlook on your life extends your life span considerably.
This was an interesting read and I thank you, but before I go to bed I would like to leave you with this on a less serious note:
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So even if power of prayer is unproven....I have a good chance of living longer than you....Hehe..God BLess
There are two types of prayer: prayer for self and intercessory prayer.
Prayer for self seems to work by biofeedback because the same effects can be seen in a meditative state where deity is not invoked.
Intercessory prayer is prayer for another, and there are several good studies indicating that the prayer has an effect.
This is yet a third category: belonging to a supportive community. Here the benefit is attributable to having people around that care about you and care for you when you need it. It's the support network that is important. Worshipping communities are particularly able to develop such networks.
__________________ "If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is our interpretation of the Bible that is at fault." Christian Observer, 1832, pg. 437
"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works." Rev. James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, 1890
How about this: if you find one unambiguous case, I will pay you $100,000 USD. I'm not joking either. If you can't pony up, then quit blustering.
If you were just $100 serious you would have called some of these people that keep telling you of their first-hand miracles. Quit playing games with God.
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
And it helps when the mind is made up by the presence of facts rather than the absence (refusal) of them..... :rolleyes:
If you'd actually provided some, your statement might make sense.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
My Friend Cat got out of the wheelchair she had been in for two years, in front of 13,000 other people, she hadn't taken more than 2 steps (falling after each) in two whole YEARS! She prayed for healing, and believed it could happen. And was healed on the spot, like that, simple! I knew her before the healing and I would vouch for anything she said as the truth. I even saw the healing, she got up and started dancing before God.
My mother was healed of the ME which nearly killed her, on the spot, in a healing service at a local church. She'd had it for 8 years, she just had a baby and runs 10K races.
I had a compound fracture in my right shoulder, collarbone, broke and shot up the way, completly seperated, but due to our awful National Health Service and my lack of money I couldn't have it operated on. Really nasty break. I was praying for it one night while worshipping, and I feel a kind of 'pins and needles' feeling in my collarbone. take off my sling and... guess what... healed bone. 3 examples of people praying and recieving healing.
Now provide evidence that these instances actually happened. Cite the medical journal in which these 'miraculous' cures were documented, please.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
bell bell bell,
my handle is disciple00 and my friends handle, who's mother was healed by God, is Godswatchman anyone in this here forum can message him and ask him of how and when his mother was healed.
in addition to calling you to remember my name, i have also a few verses explaining as to why some paople are healed and others are not.
first of all, people when they ask God for things, need to be faithful, i won't bother to quote how many times jesus said ''by your faith....'' prayers of faith recieve answers.
matthew 21:21 ''Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
james 1:6 ''But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. ''
here's another one
james 4:1 ''From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
bellman, i am sorry to hear of your friend who has breast cancer, but certainly if she has not been healed it is not because God has refused to heal her, she doesn't have the faith. As she is a christian i would expect her to believe in God, but many people, even myself, have fears. fear and faith can't be in the same mind, because faith displaces fear, much like light displaces darkness. this is why jesus said to take no thought for your own life, because if you aren't afraid, it is much easier to have faith. perhaps you should tell your friend of how Godswatchmans mother was healed of cancer, perhaps that will strengthen her faith that she too can be healed, with God's help she could easily regrow whatever the ''good doctor'' cut off, afterall stranger things have happened.
now as for comments like '' i will believe that God heals when all christians are healed from all diseases'' grow up guys, some people have the faith and other don't. the modern medical profession in which i am assuming many of you have faith, doesn't offer even nearly a 50% cure rate on diseases such as cancer. also i have a question for you, if someone really has faith that God can and will heal them (afterall that would be needed acording to what jesus said) why then do these people who claim to have faith even bother going to doctors? i mean after all if you believe that God will save you, why would you look to another source for help? anyhow, i am saddened to hear of this womans breast cancer, i hope and pray that she will be healed by the Lord.
disciple00
disciple00, thank you for prompting me to remember who it was who told me the original stories.
As for your post...what nonsense. You are simply arguing in circles. Everyone who has enough faith gets healed...so if someone doesn't get healed (no matter what else might show their faith) they didn't have enough faith. What rubbish.
Jesus says WHATEVER you ask you shall receive. No ifs, ands or buts.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
Even if one rose from the dead you would not believe
False. Come up with a documented case of someone rising from the dead and EVERYONE would believe. But you can't.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
If you'd actually provided some, your statement might make sense.
Let me come down to your level - I have enough facts collected over my 45 yrs to convince me. michabo has made it clear enough he is not worthy of my time to compile those facts and argue with him about them. Other posters on this forum are readily available to him if he is genuinely interested in checking them out in a search for facts. He's not.
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Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Acts 10:36
...Abraham believed God (not his priest, pope, pastor, favorite radio preacher, or parents), and it was counted unto him as righteousness. - Romans 4:3 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well to take heed. - II Peter 1:19
The reason I bring up one coming back to life (besides the obvious referance to Christ Jesus) is I read a AP article some months ago about a 2 year old girl who drowned and was pronounced dead (no signs of life, such as a heart beat) and then some 30 AFTER she was pronounced dead began breathing. The police were taking pictures of her corpse to begin an investigation into her death, when through the viewfinder of his camera the policeman saw the little girls chest expand. You guys don't care though, you would just say "well then she wasn't really dead", because you can't explain it naturally you automatically run for cover. Atheists are cowards.
30 minutes? Come on, the literature is FULL of people having their hearts and breathing re-started after a period of "death". You'll have to do much better than that.
Oh, and insulting people who don't agree with you is not a way to make your point. It just makes you look like a narrow-minded troll.
__________________ The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
The moment one looked in his face!
If you were just $100 serious you would have called some of these people that keep telling you of their first-hand miracles.
It still takes faith to beleive. Everyone is given a measure of faith, but they have to use the faith they are given. It all comes down to choice. Faith and love work hand in hand. If you walk in God's love, you will be filled with faith.
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