Creation & EvolutionForum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too.
No one in this forum will produce any hard data, anything that has been found that could not be found if neo-darwinian evolution were true. This is my prediction.
There will be rants about how evolution isn't falsifiable. There will be bluster about how the fossil record doesn't have enough transitionals or that we can't be sure the transitionals it does have really are. There will be quotes from scientists who say they have observed stasis in the fossil record, but who would also say there has been quite a lot of change, continuous over longer periods of time, throughout most of the fossil record: two observations that both fit into standard neo-darwinian population genetics, together with the known limits to how often a species will leave behind fossil evidence.
After all this bluster and all of these rants, we will be able to distill ZERO evidence that is contrary to evolution from all of it. Then what will we have?
We will have people who have:
1) No evidence against evolution
2) a poor or incomplete understanding of genetics, biology, taxonomy, and paleontology
3) a theological agenda
4) no scientific credentials,
who are all claiming
1) vocally
2) repeatedly
3) insistently
4) arrogantly
5) derisively
I think you're being too harsh on them. For example, you forgot the rants on how evolutionists dogmatically continue to propose naturalistic solutions and ignore all those solutions that include God, demons, Puff the Magic Dragon, and pixies.
If we're lucky, perhaps we'll even be treated to another exhaustive treatise on demonology (There's a lot of evidence out there! Really! I just don't post it because you need to find it yourself!) or how God's love can be found in miraculously engraved fillings.
What about Christians who have no problem with God using the natural laws of the universe, esp. evolution to bring all things into being?
Kiwimac
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Originally posted by kiwimac What about Christians who have no problem with God using the natural laws of the universe, esp. evolution to bring all things into being?
Kiwimac
I don't have any problem with them...
Heck, I don't even have a problem with those who can't handle that idea and deny evolution for theological reasons - so long as they don't try to discredit science based on those ideas & the common lack of understanding of it.
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I agree with Jerry. People can believe what they want. You want to believe in Santa Claus, fine.
THe problem comes from those who try to attack a valid, sound, and usefull scientific theory like evolution - which they don't even attempt to understand - in order to validate thier own beliefs.
Here, we are amused by those who flaunt thier ignorance. We also encounter those who honestly want to learn and understand the world and reconcile that with their beleifs.