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Do you make these kinds of posts as a joke, Dad? Can you actually be this scientifically inept?
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Dad, you mean something like this?: http://www.aarweb.org/syllabus/sylla...6/OTcosmos.jpg

This is a pre-scientific cosmology. [Sounds like paganistic hodgepodge to me? Greek legend?] What is it based Do you also want us to believe that the sun, moon, and stars used to hang right above the globe and then suddenly were blown out into space and expanded exponentially so that we could still see them sometime during that flood? [Did I say the cosmos had some kind of blow job? No. All I said was the water canopy is possible when we have it in the influence of the greater universal laws, rather than the box.]
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Do you make these kinds of posts as a joke, Dad? Can you actually be this scientifically inept?
Show me some science that precludes the complete universe? All you can show is an ineptness that is cosmically comical, if you try to limit all to the box.
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Creationists do more harm to creationism than evolutionists ever could.
And to Christianity than atheists ever could.

lucaspa used to be fond of saying it: creationists are the militant atheists' best friends.
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Don't you think the fact that it is a physical impossibility is a pretty good clue that it didn't happen? D'oh! [No, all the physical applies to is a totally temporal, and petite part of the wonderful completeness that is forever the spirit, and the physical.]

Oh nooes!1 [Yes, has a nice ring to it]

If you can back it up with anything other than your assertion, then do so. As it stands right now, your claim has no credibility other than simply taking your word for it. [God's word counts for something, and He indicates the physical only will pass away. He indicates a spiritual is real, He even admits to being a spirit!. Billions believe in a spiritual as well, and with a billion good reasons. To deny it, has no credibility other than simply taking your word for it. ]
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Devine intervention created the world, and the universe. The normal stste of affairs is, and will be the eternal spiritual/physical one. Because we now are in a temporary physical only state, that can't be used to determine how it worked before the split.
But your only reason for thinking that a 'split' occured is that your interpretation of genesis violates the laws of physics, and that your intepretation cannot be wrong. So (in your mind) physics must be wrong.
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Nope, Dad, what I showed you was Hebrew. Other cultures had their variations of it, but this is the Hebrew cosmology you're looking at.
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Originally Posted by Douglaangu v2.0
But your only reason for thinking that a 'split' occured is that your interpretation of genesis violates the laws of physics, [No. The bible is full of details of spirits, and a spirit world, including heaven! The spirit world is also, as I say, known time immemorial, throughout history as well! True, this latest clue, and application of rock solid principles was a result of thinking about the flood. 2+2=4 So a known source of water from above, minus physical only science limitations, + God's Own word, and man's own experience, = a pre split complete laws at work. Simple] and that your intepretation cannot be wrong. So (in your mind) physics must be wrong. [Not at all, it is right, where it applies, in the box!]
Now consider this formula well, as it contains a key of understanding that can help unlock real mysteries.
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Nope, Dad, what I showed you was Hebrew. Other cultures had their variations of it, but this is the Hebrew cosmology you're looking at.
The part that said "the heaven of fire for greeks and others" must have threw me. It was not a bible based picture, as I can see? It is one interpretive leaning, that I doubt was embraced by those with the Spirit of God.
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The part that said "the heaven of fire for greeks and others" must have threw me. It was not a bible based picture, as I can see? It is one interpretive leaning, that I doubt was embraced by those with the Spirit of God.
What? This is precisely the vision you would have us believe! This is your firmament! Now all of a sudden it's not biblical?

And it is found in the Bible. That's what the expanse in Genesis 1:6-8 is. The Hebrews did not understand science. This proves it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "interpretive leaning." If think this picture is unique, it may help you to know that every picture of Hebrew cosmology I've seen resembles this, and this is the same cosmology that I learned in my ancient literature class. This is for real.
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