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19th June 2002, 08:57 AM
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Is time real? Is it just an illusion, or in other words, the human perception of cause and effect?
What do you think?
I believe the God is outside of time, and that everything that "will" happen "already" has happened, from his perspective. It is relative to God. |
19th June 2002, 09:10 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Time is merely a measurement of moments passing from the beginning and end of an event (such as an activity or the life of a being). It isn't a creation. It applies only to created beings like us because we ahve a beginning and end. It does not apply to God because He is eternal and infinte.
It's applicability (if there is such a word) or reality is dependant on the subject which it is applied to, an is thus varient.
So in a way, it's like saying time doesn't really exist as a separate essense. Like science, it is merely an explaination to things that apply to us.
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19th June 2002, 09:16 AM
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So in a way, it's like saying time doesn't really exist as a separate essense. Like science, it is merely an explaination to things that apply to us.
Or our perception of reality. |
19th June 2002, 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by s0uljah
Is time real? Is it just an illusion, or in other words, the human perception of cause and effect?
What do you think?
I believe the God is outside of time, and that everything that "will" happen "already" has happened, from his perspective. It is relative to God.
This is an interesting philosophical discussion, tracing all the way back to Plato and Heraclitus. What is the distinction between "being" and "becoming"?
One could argue that time is illusory, and only a construct of our mind trying to connect related events.
I've seen metaphysical arguments that every conceivable configuration of the universe that could logically exist DOES exist, but they rely on an anthropic principle to explain time.
Because the passage of time is one of the metaphysical assumptions we make as part of our rationality, I think that the question is ultimately unanswerable.
As Conan the Barbarian once said: "I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me."  |
19th June 2002, 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Ray K
As Conan the Barbarian once said: "I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me."
LOL... I never thought that this film could be used as a reference in a philosophical debate.
But I must admit that in this context, it is indeed appropriate! I'm impressed   |
19th June 2002, 11:31 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Cool, you win points for that quote Ray. 
When did he say that? Was it in a book? I don't remember that in the movies? |
19th June 2002, 11:57 AM
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Reps: 109 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by s0uljah Cool, you win points for that quote Ray.
When did he say that? Was it in a book? I don't remember that in the movies?
It was in "Queen of the Black Coast". Conan speaks on his views of the Gods, the afterlife, and the importance of living in the "here and now".
The full quote is very insightful. Robert E. Howard is one of my favorite writers of fiction. |
19th June 2002, 11:58 AM
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[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], we agreed on something. |
19th June 2002, 02:20 PM
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19th June 2002, 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by s0uljah
I believe the God is outside of time, and that everything that "will" happen "already" has happened, from his perspective. It is relative to God.
I believe this is true.
Time is for us humans I suppose you can say.
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