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20th May 2005, 02:21 AM
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DECLARE IT! stop allowing these YECs and assorted other literalists equate your acceptance of clear science with atheism. Show them that Christians need not run from science, but can embrace the truth of science without sacrificing any larger Truth you may hold.
(i am no longer a christian, but still think it is patently wrong of those who claim to be Christians to arbitrarily discount you from among their ranks) |
20th May 2005, 02:26 AM
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20th May 2005, 03:29 AM
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Watch in it action in this thread in the christians-only origins forum.
I don't know if there's anything to declare. We are always finding new evidence of how God created the universe, and every time we do it's in opposition to the YEC beliefs. Maybe in time YECs won't have anything to fall back on (lies and misrepresentations notwithstanding) ? |
20th May 2005, 03:52 AM
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Reps: 63,932,760,995,062,528 (power: 63,932,760,995,076) | | Originally Posted by invisible trousers Watch in it action in this thread in the christians-only origins forum.
I don't know if there's anything to declare. We are always finding new evidence of how God created the universe, and every time we do it's in opposition to the YEC beliefs. Maybe in time YECs won't have anything to fall back on (lies and misrepresentations notwithstanding) ?
I stand corrected. And I find it frustrating. I don't think there has been a good argument for Young-Earth Creation in a long time. But I don't think most of them are lying. I think they're incorrect, and I think the reasoning that leads them to be incorrect is fallacious. |
20th May 2005, 05:02 AM
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Huh, so thats where all the creationists are.
I wonder why they don't post in this forum. |
20th May 2005, 07:34 AM
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Reps: 12,201 (power: 22) | | Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique DECLARE IT! stop allowing these YECs and assorted other literalists equate your acceptance of clear science with atheism. Show them that Christians need not run from science, but can embrace the truth of science without sacrificing any larger Truth you may hold.
(i am no longer a christian, but still think it is patently wrong of those who claim to be Christians to arbitrarily discount you from among their ranks)
In case you hadn’t noticed i and many other Christians do it every single day right here. The last pope did it, the current Pope has done it when we was a cardinal, the bishop of Durham and the Arch bishop of Canterbury has done it. I think its rather disingenuous to claim that the body of Christians let creationists speak for us and remain silent because we do not.
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20th May 2005, 08:36 AM
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20th May 2005, 08:46 AM
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20th May 2005, 10:16 AM
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Reps: 12,201 (power: 22) | | Originally Posted by Tomk80 I think you guys need to get out on the streets. Wear t-shirts (Yeah, I'm a christian and yes, I think evolution is true), put bumper stickers on your car (evolution =/= atheism), send out television commercials, get some televangelists on your side. Do what the opposition does and give 'em heaven!
It would be a bit pointless in the UK, since creationists are a very rare bread here (Although as our education system gets progressively worse the number of creationists is increasing a little - co-incidence?). Frankly theistic Evolution seems to be the default position of the vast majority of Christians in the UK, so we would be preaching to the converted. (Or the American tourists).
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20th May 2005, 10:23 AM
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