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DECLARE IT! stop allowing these YECs and assorted other literalists equate your acceptance of clear science with atheism. Show them that Christians need not run from science, but can embrace the truth of science without sacrificing any larger Truth you may hold.
(i am no longer a christian, but still think it is patently wrong of those who claim to be Christians to arbitrarily discount you from among their ranks)
I don't think I've ever had anyone, outright, question my devotion to Christ, based on my interpretation of Genesis. I've certainly heard people talk about Theistic Evolutionists in a negative way, but it has typically stopped when I've called them on it.
I don't think I've ever had anyone, outright, question my devotion to Christ, based on my interpretation of Genesis.
Watch in it action in this thread in the christians-only origins forum.
I don't know if there's anything to declare. We are always finding new evidence of how God created the universe, and every time we do it's in opposition to the YEC beliefs. Maybe in time YECs won't have anything to fall back on (lies and misrepresentations notwithstanding) ?
Watch in it action in this thread in the christians-only origins forum.
I don't know if there's anything to declare. We are always finding new evidence of how God created the universe, and every time we do it's in opposition to the YEC beliefs. Maybe in time YECs won't have anything to fall back on (lies and misrepresentations notwithstanding) ?
I stand corrected. And I find it frustrating. I don't think there has been a good argument for Young-Earth Creation in a long time. But I don't think most of them are lying. I think they're incorrect, and I think the reasoning that leads them to be incorrect is fallacious.
DECLARE IT! stop allowing these YECs and assorted other literalists equate your acceptance of clear science with atheism. Show them that Christians need not run from science, but can embrace the truth of science without sacrificing any larger Truth you may hold.
(i am no longer a christian, but still think it is patently wrong of those who claim to be Christians to arbitrarily discount you from among their ranks)
In case you hadn’t noticed i and many other Christians do it every single day right here. The last pope did it, the current Pope has done it when we was a cardinal, the bishop of Durham and the Arch bishop of Canterbury has done it. I think its rather disingenuous to claim that the body of Christians let creationists speak for us and remain silent because we do not.
Ghost
__________________ Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is. - Popper, Sir Karl
Science does not deal in metaphysics. The existence or non-existence of God is a metaphysical question, and as such science neither attempts to prove or disprove God.
A good proportion of the posters here are Christians who make no bones about their acceptance of mainstream scientific models.
__________________ I take a stand on justice, I take a stand on race Gonna take me a TV evangelist and punch him in the face I sing about the hope that’s in me and ask why the poor aren’t fed But if I don’t tow the party line, it’s be better if I were dead
I’m a liberal backslider I’ve been sliding ‘bout ten years
People ask me how I’m doin’ and I confirm all their fears I’m swearing like a trooper, and I’m drinking like a bum
I'm a liberal backslider, and it sure is a lot of fun
I think you guys need to get out on the streets. Wear t-shirts (Yeah, I'm a christian and yes, I think evolution is true), put bumper stickers on your car (evolution =/= atheism), send out television commercials, get some televangelists on your side. Do what the opposition does and give 'em heaven!
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Tom
'What luck for rulers, that men do not think.'
-Ascribed to Adolf Hitler-
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glas by Lewis Caroll-
Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
I think you guys need to get out on the streets. Wear t-shirts (Yeah, I'm a christian and yes, I think evolution is true), put bumper stickers on your car (evolution =/= atheism), send out television commercials, get some televangelists on your side. Do what the opposition does and give 'em heaven!
It would be a bit pointless in the UK, since creationists are a very rare bread here (Although as our education system gets progressively worse the number of creationists is increasing a little - co-incidence?). Frankly theistic Evolution seems to be the default position of the vast majority of Christians in the UK, so we would be preaching to the converted. (Or the American tourists).
Ghost
__________________ Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is. - Popper, Sir Karl
Science does not deal in metaphysics. The existence or non-existence of God is a metaphysical question, and as such science neither attempts to prove or disprove God.
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