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26th October 2005, 04:35 PM
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Reps: 3,300 (power: 10) | | Originally Posted by mikeholohan What does bump mean...Mike.
As you can see from the last post (Mark Downham) that he posted in June. Well, when you post to a thread it brings it up to the top or "bumps" it up. So victoryword posted to the thread (which probably was buried a couple of pages down) and "bumped" it up.
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Ezek 37.9-10: Then said He unto me, "Prophesy unto the Wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the Wind, 'Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Come from the four winds, O Breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.'" So, I prophesied as He commanded me...
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26th October 2005, 06:56 PM
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26th October 2005, 07:43 PM
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Reps: 613 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by victoryword Bump due to present interest in classic Bible teaxchers (and the accusation that they did not preach on prosperity as the current Word-faith does).
Please go on victoryword. I would love some quotes from some classic Bible teachers who taught on prosperity.
PS - What defines someone as a 'classic' Bible teacher. Could you reel off a list of some of the most famous 'classic' Bible teachers?
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27th October 2005, 12:25 AM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | | Dr. Murdock has a good definition of biblical prosperity:
"Prosperity is having more than enough to complete a God given assignment".
He also says, "Prosperity means never having to say 'no' to God."
God is for material prosperity, but He is not for any prosperity that exceeds soul/spirit prosperity. The word says,"A false balance is an abomination to the Lord. But a just weight is His delight."
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
This is more than a formal hallmark greeting as has been taught. How cruel could Paul be to tell his converts that God (all scripture is given by inspiration) wanted them to prosper outwardly as much as inwardly and not really mean it. "even as" means "in direct proportion to" "nothing more nothing less".
It is only wrong when we begin to prosper outwardly more than we are prospering inwardly. Remember, a false balance is an abomination to the Lord.
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27th October 2005, 12:37 AM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | I believe that God has called some to emphasis specific bible truths. If you had a heart condition would you go to a general practicioner (I know thats spelled wrong  )? If you did, he would recommend you to a heart "specialist". I believe that God has raised up biblical specialists in finances, healing, etc...
Do a study. Jesus talked more about money and giving than He did about prayer. He talked more about money than He did about heaven & Hell! Are we going to label Jesus as a "money preacher"?
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27th October 2005, 12:39 AM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | | Thanks VW for the quotes from Spurgeon & Luther on prosperity. They are great!
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27th October 2005, 12:48 AM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | Hi Willtor
I would like to comment on what you said about the rich ruler. First of all, Jesus never told anyone else to our knowledge to sell and give all. The fact this man turned and walked away shows that he had a love for money, which is the root to all evil. Jesus only placed this demand on him because He perceived that this mans heart was covetous. Jesus laid the axe to the roots by hitting this mans sin head on.
This man had obeyed every commandment from his youth up except "you shall have no other gods before me". Money was his god. you cannot serve God and mammon.
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27th October 2005, 02:24 AM
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Luke 18:22
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
(KJV)
I believe that the answer to this can be found in the text...most people who read this take it out of context and just like the rich young ruler they leave before the lesson is over...
Luke 18:28-30 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.
29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
(KJV)
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Psa. 3:3 But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head.
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9th November 2005, 05:06 PM
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Reps: 280,799,994,826,671 (power: 280,799,994,838) | | Paul L. King, who is not really a fan of the Faith MOvement, has written a book in which he shows some similarities (and what he feels are disparities) between the Faith Teachers and some the classic teachers you mention. King writes, "Spurgeon seems to be one of the earliest leaders of faith to make the connection between giving and prosperity." (Moving Mountains, p. 62). He then quotes Spurgeon: - I have noticed that the most generous Christians have always been the most happy and almost invariably the most prosperous. I have seen the liberal giver rise to wealth of which he never dreamed... It takes faith to act toward our God with an open hand." (Moving Mountains, pp. 62, 63).
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17th November 2005, 10:53 PM
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