Far stars

ok... here is some evidence of an old universe, and you explain it


the Milky Way (our galaxy) is about 120,000 light years in diameter (not to mention stars NOT in our galaxy) this means it takes light 120,000 years to travel from one end of the Mily Way to the other. we are about 25,000 light years from the center (which we can see) this means it takes light 25,000 years to get from the center of the Milky Way to earth.

when we look at the center of the milky way, we are observing things that happened 25,000 years ago... and we can see stars farther away (and thus farther back in time) than that...

if we can see these stars we have two options:
1. the universe is old enough for this light to have traveled from those stars to our planet
2. god created the "mature universe" where these celestial bodies have an imaginary past and their light was already reaching us
EDIT: (i realized a third option)
3. All of our ways of measuring stellar distances are incorrect, and everything within the observable universe is within x light years (where x is the age of the universe, whether it be 6,000 10,000 whatever)

the second option, however, raises some very interesting questions... say, for a moment, that the universe is only 10,000 years old. if we observe a star 25,000 light years away dying, that means it died (in god's imaginary past of the mature universe) 15,000 years before the universe existed... so did it ever really exist? even the ones that don't die... if the universe is less than 10,000 years old, we are witnessing things that simply never happened... this is clearly a deception on god's part, isn't it?

Some creationists propose that the speed of light has slowed. That gives you a fourth option.

http://www.ldolphin.org/cdkalan.html

do they use any evidence to support that one? or is simply another explain-away-ination?

All that would show is that the universe is at least 60,000 years old. That is a bit different than the billions of years they claim that it is.

Explanation:

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Ah... that's just the Milky Way, John, which is the galaxy we're in. Distant galaxies are much, much, much, much, much... etc further away than that.

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He was referring to the Milky Way, not the entire universe. The Milky Way is just a tiny fragment of the universe.

These links have pics and articles on galaxies closer to 13 billion light years away. They're not only very far away but show us what things were like very early in the formation of the universe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3490657.stm

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/new.../1997/25/text/

wow those articles are amazing... i hadn't been made aware of that

Even AiG and ICR think Setterfield is a crank. He actually cuases more problems than he solves with his decaying speed of light concept.

I don't understand how some people can think the speed of light has slowed. How can you slow a massless photon down?

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