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N.B. This question has nothing to do with evolution, so don't bring that into it. I am asking about Biblical Creationism.
Genesis 1:30 says that animals are supposed to eat plants. So, until the Fall or the Flood (not sure which one), all animals were herbivores. That being the case, what was God's original purpose for:
Originally posted by ashibaka Genesis 1:30 says that animals are supposed to eat plants. So, until the Fall or the Flood (not sure which one), all animals were herbivores. That being the case, what was God's original purpose for:
- Mosquitoes
- Leeches
- Venus flytraps
I can see how someone could rationalize away the problem if you put it that way. But there are much more obvious problems you can't rationalize, IMO. For example, where does this place things like the T-Rex? Did God create it with the jaws and teeth it had so it could hunt down and eat berries? Not bloody likely, if you'll pardon the pun.
BTW, I believe in creation, I just don't believe in understating the problems involved.
Originally posted by ashibaka Any Creationist wish to explain, or at least tell us why they can't explain it?
IMO this is one of the countless things that changed immediately after the fall.
By the way, the text never says it plainly, but it's reasonable to conclude people ate meat before the flood. Abel offered the firstborn of his flock, the same way people later offered cattle (and then ate the meat).
And Noah was told to take animals on the ark that we can assume were meant for eating and breeding to eat. Why? Because he was told to take seven of a kind and not two (so they weren't just for survival), and because they were specifically called "clean" animals, which is a reference to food that was permissible to eat.
who says they exsisted in their current form huh? During the fall God, because of Adam's actions curses the ground and creation in turn. Things changed. This includes the animals. there will be a time when the lion and the lamb are again changed and will lie down with one another in peace. See your bible for details.
Gen: 6:14
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
There you have it. He pitched the ark with PITCH.
Pitch is-
Definition: A residual petroleum product (pitch precursor) which is used in the manufacture of certain carbon fibers. While not as strong as low-modulus PAN fibers, they are processible to high moduli and are useful for some stiffness-critical applications.
TAR is-
Definition: Brown or black bituminous material, liquid or semisolid in consistency, in which the constituents are obtained as condensates in the destructive distillation of coal, petroleum, oil/ shale, wood, or other organic materials, and which yields substantial quantities of pitch.
Now, what does this mean for the creation story? Does it mean that the writers knew nothing about the ancient past, making the creation story a myth or allegory? Or did god create some fossil fuels making the world seem like yesterday happen when it didn't? So, the real question is, where did this fossil fuel byproduct come from if the earth is only "thousands" of years old?
Dave Matson writes (in maston vs. hovind, good stuff!!)
"The amount of coal and oil existing today greatly exceeds what could have been produced in a few thousand years. It is naive to think that today's coal and oil come from the buried remains of Noah's antediluvian world. Most creationists simply have no idea how much raw material would have been required, especially for oil deposits.
Because coal and oil are important economic resources, geologists have worked hard to estimate how much of these resources exist. The creationist writer Morton cites data published by Hunt indicating that
the carbon in the coal alone is 50 times that in the entire present biosphere!...And the carbon in all oil deposits is 666 times that in the entire present biosphere! That in oil shales and other sedimentary rocks
(which Morton doesn't mention!) is 40,000 times that in the present biosphere. And that doesn't count the enormous quantities of carbonates, much in the form of fossil shells. The Livingstone Limestone in the Canadian Rockies contains at least 10,000 cubic miles of broken crinoid
plates!
Just how thick did Dr. Hovind say that antediluvian vegetation was?
In doing your math, be sure to allow plenty of open space for grasslands, so that the buffalo, horses, and numerous other grazers, past and present, have plenty of space for their herds. Be sure to have plenty of deserts or near-deserts for your reptiles. Most of them require a dry environment. You will also need plenty of marshy tundra pasture for your mammoths and other pre-flood, cold-adapted grazers."
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Your definition of pitch is most likely incorrect, since petrolium wasn't created until the flood. My understanding is pitch is a sap from a tree. I am not sure if this tree exists today.
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