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5th November 2009, 09:40 AM
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Reps: 1,179,057,138,807,419 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SpiritDriven The Words everlasting, forever and ever and eternal, appear in some English translations, but they are not the correct words....they never appeared even once in the original Languages the NT was written in.
Era age Eon, or eonion are the correct translations, but many people are not aware of this....
There are arguments for and against, but the reality is that the Sin debt of all of creation was attoned for at the Cross.
No half measures as God used his own son to settle that matter....there is no possibility at all of ever lasting consequences you see.
Era consequences....yes, long ages consequences....yes, eonion consequences.....yes.
Everlasting consequences.....not possible, the sacraficial Lamb of God made certain of that.
Peace The greek word used for "ever" in that verse according to strongs concordance is aion, which has more meaning than what you gave. G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550. The Lamb's sacrifice is not for all, but for all that accept it in faith.
No where is satan said to have faith in Jesus sacrifice, or that he comes to repentance.
Jesus even said judas iscariot is lost. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
None of the apostles are lost except one judas iscariot who Jesus called the son of perdition.
The greek word for lost here is apollumi.
G622
ἀπόλλυμι
apollumi
ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish,die, lose, mar, perish. or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy,  |
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Originally Posted by garry2 The greek word used for "ever" in that verse according to strongs concordance is aion, which has more meaning than what you gave.
G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
I'm really not following the conversation all that much garry2, but I thiought that you might klike to know, you mis explained the Strong's definition G165 αἰών aiōn ahee-ohn' From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550. the red words are what the english translaters decided to use...but the meaning of the greek is not neccissarily those words...infact that is the whole point of the concordance it is their understanding at the time....(KJV 1611 and later revisions) the definition is in blue above is what the word means/can mean. The Lamb's sacrifice is not for all, but for all that accept it in faith.
No where is satan said to have faith in Jesus sacrifice, or that he comes to repentance.
Jesus even said judas iscariot is lost. small point but, no He did not say that... you (and many others) believe that Judas is implied, but it is not written as so... John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
None of the apostles are lost except one judas iscariot who Jesus called the son of perdition. some other followers later on in the NT do not follow in the faith...two are killed by the Holy Spirit, and others stop being Christian.
some are definitely lost...but the possibility of Salvation through the Sacrifice of Christ, is lost to no man....
only to Satan(and his angels), who is named... by name to perish (son of Perdition)...is lost. Christ cannot cover that one...
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Reps: 1,179,057,138,807,419 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by zeke37 I'm really not following the conversation all that much garry2, but I thiought that you might klike to know, you mis explained the Strong's definition
G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
the red words are what the english translaters decided to use...but the meaning of the greek is not neccissarily those words...infact that is the whole point of the concordance
it is their understanding at the time....(KJV 1611 and later revisions)
the definition is in blue above is what the word means/can mean.
I copied and pasted the exact strongs definition that you did.
You might be interisted to know that the word " perpetuity " which is in the blue means " goes on for ever and ever ".
( endless or indefinitely long duration or existence; eternity ).
small point but, no He did not say that...
you (and many others) believe that Judas is implied,
but it is not written as so...
I know judas is implied, who else could it be at that time, that the Father gave Jesus and became lost.
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Originally Posted by Daveon The Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is spiritual. The symbolism revealed!
Lake symbolizes Water
- Washing of regeneration
- Baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins - Baptised in Water [Lake]
- Being born of water - Rebirth
Fire symbolizes Spirit
- The Renewing of the Holy Spirit
- Baptism of Fire - Salted with Fire
- Being born of Spirit - Rebirth
(John 3:5)
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Brimstone symbolizes Purification
- Used in the purification of temples - The greeks burned brimstone to purify their temples of worship
- Consecration - To make Holy unto God
- Being cleansed of sin - Sanctification
(1 Corinthians 3:16)
Don’t you know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Torment symbolizes Suffering
- Trial by Fire
- Affliction - Way of the Cross
- Being chastised by God - Disiplinary punishment of sinners
(Acts 4:22)
We must through much tribulation [suffering] enter the kingdom of God.
(Hebrews 12:5-7)
My sons, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Second Death symbolizes the Death of the Sinful nature
- Dying to Sin [second death] - Releases us from the law of sin and death
- Death of the old man - Crucifying the Flesh
- To pass from death to life - Transformation into spiritual creatures in Christ
- Being redeemed from the power of Death and Hades [grave] - Made incorruptible and Immortal
(Romans 6:6)
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died [second death] has been freed from sin.
To be cast into the spiritual Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is to be baptized of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] consecrating [With Brimstone] the temple of God.
Nope, this is the SECOND DEATH...
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ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
the red words are what the english translaters decided to use...but the meaning of the greek is not neccissarily those words...infact that is the whole point of the concordance
it is their understanding at the time....(KJV 1611 and later revisions)
the definition is in blue above is what the word means/can mean.
garry2=
I copied and pasted the exact strongs definition that you did. and you misrepresented the definition...by accident I suppose...I'm not saying otherwise but you highlighted (to try to prove your point) the english translations instead of the Greek definition. hence the admonishment.
You might be interisted to know that the word " perpetuity " which is in the blue means " goes on for ever and ever ".
( endless or indefinitely long duration or existence; eternity ). ok then... small point but, no He did not say that...
you (and many others) believe that Judas is implied,
but it is not written as so...
I know judas is implied, who else could it be at that time, that the Father gave Jesus and became lost. Satan, the son NAMED by NAME to go into perdition... you know.... The one that did not repent...(as Judas did) The one that did not try to get the crucifixion stopped (as Judas did), and the one that was not murdered for it...(as Judas was)
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Reps: 1,179,057,138,807,419 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by zeke37 [/size]
and you misrepresented the definition...by accident I suppose...I'm not saying otherwise
but you highlighted (to try to prove your point) the english translations instead of the Greek definition.
hence the admonishment.
For the second time or third, I highlighted the parts that the former poster hadn't, just as I said.
ok then...
Satan, the son NAMED by NAME to go into perdition...
you know....
The one that did not repent...(as Judas did)
judas did not repent, some things can not be repented off.
Many scriptures say it, and i have posted them often.
The one that did not try to get the crucifixion stopped (as Judas did),
too late, too bad for him.
and the one that was not murdered for it...(as Judas was) he comitted souicide, strange that you stick up for judas and watching for satan etc. anyway glad I'm not. | | |
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