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The problem with an exegetical method that takes the plain language of scripture, infuses it with symbolism and then comes up with a meaning which is diametrically opposed to the plain language is it makes God out to be a gnostic liar. I mean this gnostic lying God does not trust us to tell us what he means, he hides the TRUE meaning in a language of opposites to which only a few initiated insiders understand. This sort of exegetical method was exposed and repudiated by Christ's Church from the earliest times.
If you want to symbolize scripture, have at it! But the resulting interpretation you come up with had better align with and support the plain meaning of the passage.
The Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is spiritual. The symbolism revealed!
Lake symbolizes Water - Washing of regeneration - Baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins - Baptised in Water [Lake] - Being born of water - Rebirth
Fire symbolizes Spirit - The Renewing of the Holy Spirit - Baptism of Fire - Salted with Fire - Being born of Spirit - Rebirth
(John 3:5) Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Brimstone symbolizes Purification - Used in the purification of temples - The greeks burned brimstone to purify their temples of worship - Consecration - To make Holy unto God - Being cleansed of sin - Sanctification
(1 Corinthians 3:16) Don’t you know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Torment symbolizes Suffering - Trial by Fire - Affliction - Way of the Cross - Being chastised by God - Disiplinary punishment of sinners
(Acts 4:22) We must through much tribulation [suffering] enter the kingdom of God.
(Hebrews 12:5-7) My sons, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Second Death symbolizes the Death of the Sinful nature - Dying to Sin [second death] - Releases us from the law of sin and death - Death of the old man - Crucifying the Flesh - To pass from death to life - Transformation into spiritual creatures in Christ - Being redeemed from the power of Death and Hades [grave] - Made incorruptible and Immortal
(Romans 6:6) For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died [second death] has been freed from sin.
To be cast into the spiritual Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is to be baptized of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] consecrating [With Brimstone] the temple of God.
Not true. The second death is at the great white throne.
I think it may be more appropriate to say that the second death occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.
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Isa 24:4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
The Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is spiritual. The symbolism revealed!
Lake symbolizes Water - Washing of regeneration - Baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins - Baptised in Water [Lake] - Being born of water - Rebirth
Fire symbolizes Spirit - The Renewing of the Holy Spirit - Baptism of Fire - Salted with Fire - Being born of Spirit - Rebirth
(John 3:5) Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Brimstone symbolizes Purification - Used in the purification of temples - The greeks burned brimstone to purify their temples of worship - Consecration - To make Holy unto God - Being cleansed of sin - Sanctification
(1 Corinthians 3:16) Don’t you know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Torment symbolizes Suffering - Trial by Fire - Affliction - Way of the Cross - Being chastised by God - Disiplinary punishment of sinners
(Acts 4:22) We must through much tribulation [suffering] enter the kingdom of God.
(Hebrews 12:5-7) My sons, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Second Death symbolizes the Death of the Sinful nature - Dying to Sin [second death] - Releases us from the law of sin and death - Death of the old man - Crucifying the Flesh - To pass from death to life - Transformation into spiritual creatures in Christ - Being redeemed from the power of Death and Hades [grave] - Made incorruptible and Immortal
(Romans 6:6) For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died [second death] has been freed from sin.
To be cast into the spiritual Lake of Fire burning with Brimstone is to be baptized of water [Lake] and the Spirit [Fire] consecrating [With Brimstone] the temple of God.
Why would you ask that when scripture say's that satan is eternally destroyed.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Why would you ask that when scripture say's that satan is eternally destroyed.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Words everlasting, forever and ever and eternal, appear in some English translations, but they are not the correct words....they never appeared even once in the original Languages the NT was written in.
Era age Eon, or eonion are the correct translations, but many people are not aware of this....
There are arguments for and against, but the reality is that the Sin debt of all of creation was attoned for at the Cross.
No half measures as God used his own son to settle that matter....there is no possibility at all of ever lasting consequences you see.
Era consequences....yes, long ages consequences....yes, eonion consequences.....yes.
Everlasting consequences.....not possible, the sacraficial Lamb of God made certain of that.
Peace
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