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20th June 2002, 12:07 AM
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Reps: 8 (power: 0) | | | "There is exactly one remotely reasonable reason to believe young-earth Creationism: It's what a literal reading of Genesis gives you. "
Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at your loaded language... |
20th June 2002, 03:11 PM
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20th June 2002, 09:57 PM
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Can you name one person that believes in evolution and literal genesis? |
20th June 2002, 10:51 PM
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Reps: 20 (power: 0) | | | Actually, I do know a guy. Beats me. He claims they're both true at the same time, even though they contradict.
*shrug*. Freely admits that the Genesis part is faith, the evolution part is evidence, and that contradiction is something God can handle. |
21st June 2002, 04:22 PM
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"Seriously, can you name one person who believes in YEC who does not also believe in a literal Genesis?"
Can you name one person that believes in evolution and literal genesis?
Louis, I think you missed the point of the argument. If we are to claim that Young Earth Creation is a reasonable scientific theory, then the evidence for it should be convincing *EVEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL*. In fact, though, no one seems to be able to name a scientist who does *NOT* accept Genesis as literal truth, but who has come to the conclusion *based on physical evidence* that the world is very young, and life forms just popped into being.
This suggests that there's no physical evidence to support this conclusion. |
21st June 2002, 05:00 PM
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Reps: 32,903 (power: 50) | | | There is physical evidence for YEC but, if I post it here, the evolutionists will just chew it up and spit it out. They have already made up their minds. Now, if someone were truly seeking some of this evidence with an open mind, I might just pm it to them. But, I am sure much of it has already been rejected on this board, as I am fairly new here. |
21st June 2002, 05:03 PM
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Why is it that the only people who believe in the YEC timeframe and concepts are Christians?
Are you telling me that there exist no open-minded people on the planet besides Christians? That the rest of the planet, including the vast majority of the people working in the field (many of whom are Christians), think it's poppycock are simply biased?
What is it about reading the Bible literally that makes you so unbiased towards the evidence?
And more importantly, why is your evidence so weak it can't withstand criticism? |
21st June 2002, 05:09 PM
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There is physical evidence for YEC but, if I post it here, the evolutionists will just chew it up and spit it out.
Pesky scientists! Now, if someone were truly seeking some of this evidence with an open mind, I might just pm it to them.
Fire away. But, I am sure much of it has already been rejected on this board, as I am fairly new here.
If it's been rejected, what good is it, aside from comic purposes? |
21st June 2002, 08:54 PM
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Reps: 8 (power: 0) | | "Freely admits that the Genesis part is faith, the evolution part is evidence, and that contradiction is something God can handle."
hmm...I think ya left some stuff out there...genesis has part evidence and evolution has part faith. 
"accept Genesis as literal truth, but who has come to the conclusion *based on physical evidence* that the world is very young, and life forms just popped into being. "
Seebs that's like asking for a PB and J sandwitch without using PB and J. |
21st June 2002, 09:12 PM
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Reps: 25 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by LouisBooth "Freely admits that the Genesis part is faith, the evolution part is evidence, and that contradiction is something God can handle."
hmm...I think ya left some stuff out there...genesis has part evidence and evolution has part faith.
"accept Genesis as literal truth, but who has come to the conclusion *based on physical evidence* that the world is very young, and life forms just popped into being. "
Seebs that's like asking for a PB and J sandwitch without using PB and J.
I think his point is that it is a strictly religious viewpoint, not one that can be arrived at by applying scientific methodology to the evidence. | | |
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