No mountains before the flood?

I've gotten into this argument with a YEC over a global flood and he maintains that there were no sizeable mountains before the flood hence enough flood water. He also claims that Plate Tectonics supports his point. He claims that if the mountains were much flatter and lowerthen the possibility of a world-wide flood increases exponentially. Raise the sea beds, lower the mountains.

This all seems rather silly to me but I have been searching on google for a while and can't find any arguments against it. Any suggestions?

Poke him in the face.

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I had actually thought of giving him a slap in the face but then that would confirm to him that all us "evolutionists" are teh eViL!!!

Plate tectonics doesn't support YEC. A 6,000 year-old-world operating under plate tectonics would not contain much of the geographic features we observe today, such as the Himalayan Mountains.

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Well yeah. Do floods tend to level the differences between high ground and low ground, or create massive solid rock edifices sticking out of the ground?

Im curious how much heat this would produce, moving huge pieces of rocks miles in a short amount of time. Not to mention to very specific evidence it would leave behind.

Its interesting to note that often the biblical support for this is that the bible says "high hills" instead of mountains. What often gets over looked is that the Hebrew word translated into Hills and Mountains, is the same word. So, biblically there is no difference between the two, and thus no biblical support.

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First ask him to calculate how much the mountains would need to rise each year for his theory to work. Everest is like 29,000 feet above sea level. Let's be generous and say it was half that during the flood, 14500 feet. This means that in the 5000ish years since the flood it has risen 14500 feet, or about 3 feet per year. Then ask him, according to plate tectonics, what is the average annual plate movement. It's about an inch.

Then ask him "Let's say that the two plates forming everest are colliding at the necesarry 18 inches per year from both sides to achieve this. For the sake of arguement let's assume that 1 inch horizontal is equal to inch vertical even though according to plate tectonics vertical gains are slower than horizontal movements."

Now at this point you'll probabbly be straining to keep a straight face because you realize such a movement is not only impossible but would have caused catastrophic effects. We're talking huge, almost montly earthquakes that span thousands of years. You would think that somebody would have noticed that. The amount of geological activity necesarry to move the plates that fast simply does not exist and never has.

If that fails to win the day then yes, by all means poke him in the face. Give him a swift kick to the groin for me too, that way he can't breed and spread his stupidity.

Thats brilliant, thanks Malevolent!

Really? I thought kicking him in the nuts was a tad base and more for my own amusement. Oh... you mean the other part of the post.

edit: Bah, now I have that Guinness beer comercial with those old guys who keep saying "BRILLIANT!" stuck in my head. Sad thing is that I've started saying that in real life everytime somebody says something blindingly obvious.

Person "It's dark out, looks like it's going to rain."
Me "Blackend skies and storm clouds as a portent of immenent rain?... BRILLIANT!"
Person "See? this is why I don't talk to you."

Believe it or not, I would have to agree. The mountains did not form after or during the flood. Some maybe, not all. Certainly I don't think the biggest ones did.

And your mentions of physical abuse? What's that about? Do yall hate 6 day creationist that much?

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