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26th April 2004, 01:32 PM
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I just read the Patriot act, it says nothing about detaining terrorists indefinately.
I do believe there must be a process to convict P.O.W.s of crimes or return them to a post war afganistan or Iraq.
No man shall be incarcerated for suspicion of a crime without being awarded a trial date and or convictionn of the crime.
This sets a bad precidence for Non-U.S. people and U.S. people.
No man should be incarcerated without trial. Iraq people will trial the Iraq people but Americans must have an American trial, Military or civilian.
But must have a trial.
Bill Cramer
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If you haven't had enough, vote for Obama, I'm pretty sure we haven't hit Bar-rock bottom...yet.
6 trillion more debt, What would it have been if the Congress of "NO" was alittle more agreeable?
is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced.(but) in my hometown of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence, and they’re not using AK-47s, they’re using cheap handguns.”
Obama makes it known, he will work to ban assault weapons and handguns. |
26th April 2004, 03:06 PM
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This sets a bad precidence for Non-U.S. people and U.S. people.
No man should be incarcerated without trial.
This incredibly basic truth. while it receives some little publicity, is being buried in the current flood of war culture. Uncorrected, and built upon as it will be, this is one of the grossest costs and losses of this war. The disdain for law which it represents, is what most marks the current coalition, and its projects. Sane people of all persuasions should demand that law be returned the primacy it once had. |
26th April 2004, 03:09 PM
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26th April 2004, 04:40 PM
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4000 hungry children leave us per hour,
From starvation,
While billions are spent on bombs,
Creating death showers...
And I don't know about you
But I ain't gonna study war no more....
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26th April 2004, 05:30 PM
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26th April 2004, 05:35 PM
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Reps: 15,386 (power: 33) | | just read the Patriot act, it says nothing about detaining terrorists indefinately. That's because Bush just made up the power to detain people without a trial. It's his own little invention. |
26th April 2004, 07:17 PM
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Reps: 289,596,590,909,288,512 (power: 289,596,590,909,310) | | Originally Posted by Billnew I just read the Patriot act, it says nothing about detaining terrorists indefinately.
I do believe there must be a process to convict P.O.W.s of crimes or return them to a post war afganistan or Iraq.
No man shall be incarcerated for suspicion of a crime without being awarded a trial date and or convictionn of the crime.
This sets a bad precidence for Non-U.S. people and U.S. people.
No man should be incarcerated without trial. Iraq people will trial the Iraq people but Americans must have an American trial, Military or civilian.
But must have a trial.
Bill Cramer
No question about it. But how can we get our government to do the right thing?
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28th April 2004, 09:24 AM
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But the American, In America is a citizen and needs a trial asap.
I believe in Martial law we can detain short term but 2 years?
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If you haven't had enough, vote for Obama, I'm pretty sure we haven't hit Bar-rock bottom...yet.
6 trillion more debt, What would it have been if the Congress of "NO" was alittle more agreeable?
is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced.(but) in my hometown of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence, and they’re not using AK-47s, they’re using cheap handguns.”
Obama makes it known, he will work to ban assault weapons and handguns. |
28th April 2004, 12:44 PM
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Reps: 9,867,845 (power: 9,883) | | | On the other hand, they could have been shot on the spot. The error is taking prisoners. |
28th April 2004, 03:09 PM
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Reps: 9,872,740,531,522,268 (power: 9,872,740,531,537) | | Originally Posted by billwald On the other hand, they could have been shot on the spot. The error is taking prisoners.
We should never stoop to using the tactics of the enemy. It is what seperates us.
The unPATRIOT ACT says nothing about wartime combatants. Bush is detaining them using a presidential order that has questionable constitutional grounds. | | |
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