Evolution's Empty Philosophy

cdouglas76 · #1 11th June 2002, 10:09 AM

EVOLUTION'S EMPTY PHILOSOPHY

In 21st century secular America, people grope for answers to such basic questions as "What is the meaning of life?"; "Why am I here?" and "Where am I going after I die?" Christianity has precise answers to these questions but Secular Humanism gives no answers to ultimate questions.
William Provine, a prominent evolutionist associated with Cornell University admitted that if Darwinian evolution is true then there are five inescapable conclusions regarding fundamental philosophical questions. These are: 1) there's no evidence for God; 2) there's no life after death; 3) there's no absolute foundation for right and wrong; 4) there's no ultimate meaning for life and 5) people don't really have free will.
If we came into being through aimless, purposeless, accidental processes then human life is not sacred. Nothing would be sacred. Murder, the taking of innocent human life would not be wrong. If human beings are the products of nature then only the laws of nature such as "kill or be killed" and "might makes right" would prevail. There is no morality in nature. When a lion kills an antelope there is no moral question. It's simply an animal killing another animal. It's not an atrocity. It's not murder. It's not wrong. If, in the minds of America's elite, human beings are just animals, how long will it be until murder is legalized? I should say "until more forms of murder are legalized" because murder of babies in the womb is already legal!
Adolf Hitler, in his book "Mein Kampf" asked the question "Why can't we be as brutal as nature?" Hitler, whose views were heavily influenced by Darwinism, apparently saw no moral objection to mass murder.
We must be diligent to study and learn how to counter the theory of evolution lest our society suffer total moral collapse. Evolution has no direct scientific support but only has the support of educated men making educated guesses based on very limited evidence.
A super-intelligent and loving God created the universe for a purpose. He revealed Himself to us and showed us His plan. Man's purpose is to know God and to enjoy Him forever.

Chris†opher Paul · #2 11th June 2002, 10:30 AM

William Provine is either misrepresented or jumping to conclusions. Even if "evolution" were proven true, it says nothing about God's existence, etc.

I put evolution in quotes because this term has grown to encompass a lot of theories. For example, micro-evolution is easily proven true, but macro-evolution, has not been proven true.

Morat · #3 11th June 2002, 03:47 PM

I'd imagine that evolution has an empty philosophy for the same reason chemistry does. And meterology does. And physics. And anthropology. And any other scientific field.

Science, evolution firmly included, does not generate philosophies. That is the role of philosophers.

It's not rocket science.

Late_Cretaceous · #4 11th June 2002, 04:19 PM

Cdouglas76, that has to be the most paranoid and angry rant I have ever heard. Evolution is a scientific theory, not a philosophy. Perhaps there are people who create bizarre or dangerous philosophies that incorporate evolutionary theory, but so what. Charles Manson based some of his murderous ideas on the Beatles' song Helter Skelter. Does that make the Beatles or thier song evil?

I doubt that any stable person would take your delusional ravings about evoltution seriously. I think that you just posted that to get a reaction, and that you don't actually think like that. At least I hope so, otherwise I would seriously consider you to be a disturbed person. If so, then you need help and I am serious.

What meaning does life have if you are going to go through it being so hate filled and paranoid.

jon1101 · #5 11th June 2002, 05:19 PM

First of all, evolution is by no means a worldview. It certainly influences many wordlviews, contradicts some worldviews, and whatnot but it itself is not a definite worldview.

Christianity has precise answers to these questions but Secular Humanism gives no answers to ultimate questions.

Nope, I'm afraid this shows an overwealming misunderstanding of the ultimate questions. You see, every worldviews gives answers to the questions because the answers to the questionas are what determines a world view. Secular humanism may say things like "history is is cyclical" or "there is no God" or "man is a product of unguieded evolution" or whatnot. All of these are answers whether you like them or not. Some answers may be "I don't know" depending on what questions you consider "ultimate" but saying that no answers are given is incorrect.

William Provine, a prominent evolutionist associated with Cornell University admitted that if Darwinian evolution is true then there are five inescapable conclusions regarding fundamental philosophical questions. . .

Oh I love this. "Evolutionist X said Y so if evolution then Y." I'm afraid this is falacy. If you want to throw a Ph.D. at me to support an argument, fine; at least give the argument along with the appeal to authority.

Speaking of Hitler's belief in Darwinism does not say a lot. I mean, pro-lifers have shot abortionists but this does not mean that opposing abortion leads to murder.

-jon

Starscream · #6 11th June 2002, 05:20 PM

cdouglas76, I don't care much for your post but I do think that's a beautiful dog you've got there. What mix is he/she?

seebs · #7 11th June 2002, 08:08 PM

I tend to side with starscream on this one. Cute puppy!

Evolution, I admit, does not answer the metaphysical questions such as "why are we here". That's fine by me - I don't expect everything to answer these questions.

Evolution *DOES* answer questions like "why does my cat have the same basic bone structure I do" or "how come people have little hairs all over their bodies".

It's the right tool for the right job.

AV1611VET · #8 9th May 2011, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Chris†opher Paul

For example, micro-evolution is easily proven true, but macro-evolution, has not been proven true.

That's because "proving" macro-evolution to be true is a privilege reserved for the Antichrist.

We Christians spend too much time trying to prove evolution wrong, and it's only going to get worse.

Exiledoomsayer · #9 9th May 2011, 11:30 AM

Lets just for the fun of it say your totally right and if the theory of evolution is correct then we are all commiting mass genocide by the end of the week... So what?

The 'consequences' of a claim have absolutely no baring on the truth value of that claim. The fact the the atom-bomb is a horrific weapon does not make atom theory False.

Ofcourse back home in reality..
You are wrong about the supposed consequences. You cannot logically arrive at any of those conclusions based soley on the fact that we all share a common ancestor. For crying out loud this should be obvious to anyone above five years old.

Edit:
There is however one thing that is correct..

We must be diligent to study

To bad I had to quotemine to salvage anything sensable out of that sentence.

Hespera · #10 9th May 2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by cdouglas76

EVOLUTION'S EMPTY PHILOSOPHY

In 21st century secular America, people grope for answers to such basic questions as "What is the meaning of life?"; "Why am I here?" and "Where am I going after I die?" Christianity has precise answers to these questions but Secular Humanism gives no answers to ultimate questions.
William Provine, a prominent evolutionist associated with Cornell University admitted that if Darwinian evolution is true then there are five inescapable conclusions regarding fundamental philosophical questions. These are: 1) there's no evidence for God; 2) there's no life after death; 3) there's no absolute foundation for right and wrong; 4) there's no ultimate meaning for life and 5) people don't really have free will.
If we came into being through aimless, purposeless, accidental processes then human life is not sacred. Nothing would be sacred. Murder, the taking of innocent human life would not be wrong. If human beings are the products of nature then only the laws of nature such as "kill or be killed" and "might makes right" would prevail. There is no morality in nature. When a lion kills an antelope there is no moral question. It's simply an animal killing another animal. It's not an atrocity. It's not murder. It's not wrong. If, in the minds of America's elite, human beings are just animals, how long will it be until murder is legalized? I should say "until more forms of murder are legalized" because murder of babies in the womb is already legal!
Adolf Hitler, in his book "Mein Kampf" asked the question "Why can't we be as brutal as nature?" Hitler, whose views were heavily influenced by Darwinism, apparently saw no moral objection to mass murder.
We must be diligent to study and learn how to counter the theory of evolution lest our society suffer total moral collapse. Evolution has no direct scientific support but only has the support of educated men making educated guesses based on very limited evidence.
A super-intelligent and loving God created the universe for a purpose. He revealed Himself to us and showed us His plan. Man's purpose is to know God and to enjoy Him forever.

Godwins law alert! you lost beforr you finished posting.

lets call it "76's empty post"