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25th April 2004, 03:17 PM
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If abortion were fiinally outlawed wouldn't we have to support the legal prosecution of the women actually having the abortions as well as those performing them? Would we have the stomache for that?
I'm trying to remain intellectually honest here. There is so much attention being paid to Kerry (who I abhore) that I'm wondering what the logical conclusions would be should we pro-lifers get what we actually want.
Lastly, why do many in the pro-life camp view women as innocent pawns? Isn't that just a bit condescending and sexist?
In my opinion, we wouldn't need to legislate this if many of our church leaders had not lost their moral authority.
Would appreciate your input. Thanks
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25th April 2004, 03:44 PM
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Reps: 37,540 (power: 66) | | Originally Posted by Proud Papist If abortion were fiinally outlawed wouldn't we have to support the legal prosecution of the women actually having the abortions as well as those performing them? Would we have the stomache for that?
Id have no problems if thats where my tax dollars went. Lastly, why do many in the pro-life camp view women as innocent pawns? Isn't that just a bit condescending and sexist?
I do not think so. So many women are so misinformed about the dangers of abortion. Planned parenthood sugarcoats the potential physical dangers, and completely ignores any mention of emotional or spiritual harm.
I was in NYC this weekend, Lower East Side, and I saw these posters everywhere advertising the Womens March - a pro-choice march....
Do you know what the slogan on the ad was? "Bush is trying to take away your rights! Don't let that happen!"... something like that but even more extreme. They made it sound that unless women march, Bush will enslave them. And the women buy into it. Its so sad.
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25th April 2004, 03:46 PM
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Why does it matter to someone who doesn't believe in "souls" whether or not a single cell is killed? It doesn't.
Instead we need to educate and re-evangelize the people so they do believe. It would be no use otherwise.
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25th April 2004, 03:52 PM
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Women do bear a responsibility in this even though usually they are under certain pressures from others or just some sort of fear about the future, but they also live with the after effects of the abortion and likely will need help to recover.
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25th April 2004, 03:54 PM
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Reps: 3,067 (power: 16) | | Originally Posted by Markh abortion cannot be made illegal in our society. On its own that is not good enough.
Why does it matter to someone who doesn't believe in "souls" whether or not a single cell is killed? It doesn't.
Instead we need to educate and re-evangelize the people so they do believe. It would be no use otherwise.
Bingo!
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25th April 2004, 04:02 PM
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25th April 2004, 04:07 PM
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Reps: 37,540 (power: 66) | | Originally Posted by marciadietrich There is a difference between those who would perform the abortion for money and those who are in a desperate situation (thsoe women usually need help and are under pressures) and pay for the abortion. Just like there is a difference between someone possessing a small amount of a controlled substance on a first time offense and those who traffic drugs. There could be a mild prosecution of the women involved and an major prosecution of those doing the abortions.
A very important distinction. Originally Posted by PeterPaul Well, as a Catholic and a resident, who pays taxes, and who does have a say, I would like to think, on what and where my money, I sure do care. The government is not (sorry statists) authorized to take my money and use it as they please.
I agree with Don Bosco, I mean ps139
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25th April 2004, 04:08 PM
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Reps: 1,202,435,608,557,096 (power: 1,202,435,608,569) | | Originally Posted by Proud Papist If abortion were fiinally outlawed wouldn't we have to support the legal prosecution of the women actually having the abortions as well as those performing them?
No. You could just make it illegal to perform abortion while making it legal to be the woman, drive her to the clinic, etc. I'm trying to remain intellectually honest here. There is so much attention being paid to Kerry (who I abhore) that I'm wondering what the logical conclusions would be should we pro-lifers get what we actually want.
The Kerry issue isn't about him being pro-choice, it's about him being unrepentantly pro-choice while being Catholic. If you openly wrote about the joys of abortion in your local paper, and your priest and bishop were reading it, and you refused to change, they might consider denying you communion as well.
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25th April 2004, 04:22 PM
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Reps: 889,119,283,581,404 (power: 889,119,283,602) | | Originally Posted by Markh abortion cannot be made illegal in our society. On its own that is not good enough.
Why does it matter to someone who doesn't believe in "souls" whether or not a single cell is killed? It doesn't.
Instead we need to educate and re-evangelize the people so they do believe. It would be no use otherwise.
AMEN. Best pro life slogan I've ever seen was on a T shirt:
"Don't do it! We can help you both!"
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25th April 2004, 04:27 PM
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Reps: 491,022,733 (power: 491,044) | | | If abortion were made illegal, there would be a flurry of back street inexperienced abortionists killing both mother and child, remember the tales of knitting needles and whiskey being used ?...we must guard against condemning those who abort their unborn children, it is generally out of a sense of desparation, helplessness and rejection that a woman might seek to have her unborn aborted...I believe that the key is education, and media exposure of the full and brutal facts of abortion.
when there is a Pro Choice Rally, there should be a Pro Life Rally to counter it, when there is a Pro Choice meeting, there should be a Pro Life meeting held to counter it...we must challenge those who have become desensitised to the very word 'abortion'.
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