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7th June 2002, 05:06 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | well list one then randman, comeon, name a single person with a masters degree in biology who believes creation science
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7th June 2002, 10:13 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by chickenman
well list one then randman, comeon, name a single person with a masters degree in biology who believes creation science
Seebs, chickenman...
There are a few people with masters and/or Ph.D degrees in biology who are creationists. Admittedly not many (a very tiny fraction), but there are some. Of course the majority of these don't seem to be doing any professional work in biology. Consider case of Jonathan Wells. He got a got a Ph.D. in molecular biology just so he could sound more impressive to lay people. (Of course the claim on the back of his book that he has been widely published in academic journals is an outright lie.) There are some who are working for some fundamentalist schools as is the case of a creationist who got his Ph.D. in paleontology studying under Stephen Jay Gould.
A better question might be to ask, what creationist is doing original reseach in biology (with emphasis in field which evolution has extreme relevence to) published by peer-reviewed journals?
There is a definate pattern: the more educated people are in general the more likley they are to accept evolution. The more people know about science the more they are to accept evolution. The greater the formal education one has in biology the more likely one is to accept evolution. Being a sucessful research scientists (in any field) makes it very unlikey to be a creationist. Being a professional biological researcher makes the odds of being a creationist a tiny fraction of a percent. Being a biological researcher who has been successful enough that a layperson has heard of them because of his research makes the odds of them accepting evolution to be unity (100%).  |
7th June 2002, 10:19 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by kiwimac
Won't happen!
Those who do (and few they will be) will fear for their tenure!
Of course once they get tenure that fear goes away.
And if a biological reseacher has a proven track record as biological researcher they would be virtually untouchable. A biological researcher with a proven track record and widely acknowledged status of being eminent who suddenly admitted to being a creationist could very quickly become a rather rich (wo)man on book sales and public appearances.
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7th June 2002, 10:34 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | I've noticed the correlation between education in biology and belief in evolution, and when you point it out to creationists uneducated in biology (i'm not saying thats all creationists, just some I have argued with) they don't seem to care
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7th June 2002, 10:43 PM
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well list one then randman, comeon, name a single person with a masters degree in biology who believes creation science
Shoot... Duane Gish has a PhD in biochemistry, not a masters, so I guess that doesn't count. Does it help that it's from UC Berkeley?
What about Lane P. Lester, Geneticist and Biologist? No, he's got a PhD, too, and it's not in biology, it's in Genetics. And it's from Purdue University.
Then there's Gary Parker, with an EdD from Ball State University...
No, I guess I have to give up. No matter how many searches I perform, I only come up with people with doctorates, not masters degrees. And they're all from those mail-order degree houses like UC Berkeley, Purdue, Ball State U, etc.
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7th June 2002, 10:52 PM
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There is a definate [sic] pattern: the more educated people are in general the more likley [sic] they are to accept evolution.
Well gull dingy, yew shure r rite about thet their. Ownly us dumb graid skool eddycated hicks beleeve in duh Bybul. Wayll, ah shure cain't keep up wich y'all inteelechuls n stuff, so ah'll leeve dis topik ta yoose eddycayted foke. Ah best bee gowin bek to mah drewlin n sech, now.
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7th June 2002, 10:53 PM
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