Oh Hell

DanielRB · #31 23rd February 2006, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by missju

honestly, this seems like a strange question. do demons have bodies? if not, how will they burn in torment? i think this eternal fire of damnation has to have a spiritual aspect, not just a physical one... perhaps that's not what you were suggesting, but i wasn't sure.

Shalom, Missju,

I agree--it's a strange question. However, if the assertion is that the torment is limited in duration because resurrected bodies (of people, not demons) would eventually be burned up, then how long does it last? If resurrected bodies are similar to our current bodies, then the torment would be very, very short in duration indeed.

As to what could consume demons, I have no idea. If the fire is literal, and if demons have no bodies to be consumed, will their eternal spirits dwell in agony for ever?

In Messiah,

Daniel

stone · #32 24th February 2006, 02:34 PM

Y-shua was about to heal the crazy man when the demons spoke to him from within. They asked for mercy, they asked to not be sent into the Abyss. They asked to if they could go into the swine, they were allowed to enter the swine, but then the swine killed themselves.

The refferrence to an Abyss, does not sound like the termination of existance.

Also there is a place prepared for the beast and the false prophet, the anti-christ or whatever you want to call it. A beast is released from a pit in the last days, and it will be sent back into this place again for 1000 years, then released again.

This pit, whatever it is, does exist. There is a spiritual realm here within us on earth where the demons and the angels dwell and are able to interact with us humans.

When Y-shua returns, he will defeat this beast that we are unable to defeat.

I see that there are many mistranslations in our books, but there is a place prepared for evil.

I know you guys probably discredit it, but The Book of Enoch speaks of this place prepared for the judgement.

Originally Posted by Victrixa

What about this Scripture?

Matthew 25 Read This Chapter
25:34 Then the King will say to those on the right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
25:35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home.
25:36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.'
25:37 "Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink?
25:38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing?
25:39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' 25:40 And the King will tell them, 'I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, F143 you were doing it to me!'
25:41 "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons!
25:42 For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me anything to drink.
25:43 I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me no clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'
25:44 "Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?'
25:45 And he will answer, 'I assure you, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.'
25:46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."

What does it mean if there's no hell, such as a place of eternal damnation for the lost?

These bolded words is Y-shua speaking of what is written in The book of Enoch.

When the swine drowned, the demons would have been released. Y-shua also described how these demons found no rest till they could inhabit a body. From the dead swine the demons would have probably found some catfish and shellfish to inhabit.

I'm finding that there is more to this being clean and unclean than what you eat.

There is probably not a hell as in the fire and the devil with a pointy tail and a pitch fork, but there is a place prepared for sinners that are judged to be evil.

Victrixa · #33 24th February 2006, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by stone

When the swine drowned, the demons would have been released. Y-shua also described how these demons found no rest till they could inhabit a body. From the dead swine the demons would have probably found some catfish and shellfish to inhabit.

I'm finding that there is more to this being clean and unclean than what you eat.

That's a very interesting point! Hmmmmmm....

visionary · #34 26th February 2006, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by missju

honestly, this seems like a strange question. do demons have bodies? if not, how will they burn in torment? i think this eternal fire of damnation has to have a spiritual aspect, not just a physical one... perhaps that's not what you were suggesting, but i wasn't sure.

So we have a burning bush... in this case human torches that do not seem to go out but burn, and suffer from it?

stone · #35 27th February 2006, 10:37 AM

I've also read something, somewhere in the new testament, that reads that there will be a trial in hell for 10 or 11 days, can't remember if it's 10 or 11, and that there will be a chance for those that are in hell to be saved.

I've been searching for the verse, I'll find it soon and post it here.

Whatever this hell is, it's not a termination of existance.

visionary · #36 27th February 2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by stone

I've also read something, somewhere in the new testament, that reads that there will be a trial in hell for 10 or 11 days, can't remember if it's 10 or 11, and that there will be a chance for those that are in hell to be saved.

I've been searching for the verse, I'll find it soon and post it here.

Whatever this hell is, it's not a termination of existance.

I need to see this.

stone · #37 27th February 2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by visionary

I need to see this.

I know, I started to search last night, I promise i will find it, i won't leave you hanging.

Lpe04 · #38 28th February 2006, 12:38 AM

Excellent post! From my studies the Hebrew word "sheol" is derived from the same root word as other words meaning "quietly, rest, prosper, be at ease, to be or have quiet, peace, etc." For instance, the word "shalah" (Strongs number: 7951) and "shalom". The word hell used to be used by potato farmers in Ireland to describe where potatos were buried, in hell, which was a cold, dark place in the ground. Also the Lake of Fire is known as the Second Death in Revelation.

visionary · #39 28th February 2006, 08:18 AM

Stone, I am still hanging ......

DanielRB · #40 28th February 2006, 08:26 AM

Shalom all,

I think perhaps the reference to "ten or eleven days" that Stone was thinking of was perhaps this:

"“ ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’" (Revelation 2:9-11, ESV)

Is this it?

In Messiah,

Daniel