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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Misconception 5:Evolution requires faith like Religion. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This does aggrivate me as well. We hear often from creationists or those who don't accept evolution that it requires faith to believe in. That can also imply that things are just made up.
So you logic is creationists is always wrong and can never be correct about anything. Of course evolution requires faith. Even going ot a doctor requires faith. You accept evolution as dogma and believe all creationists must be wrong while even a broken clock is right atleast twice a day.
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So you logic is creationists is always wrong and can never be correct about anything. Of course evolution requires faith. Even going ot a doctor requires faith.
Then we're talking about confidence, not faith in a religious sense of the word. People who accept evolution have confidence that this is what happens in the natural world, but it isn't a religion, and doesn't have anything to do with one.
You accept evolution as dogma and believe all creationists must be wrong while even a broken clock is right atleast twice a day.
Let me put it this way: a broken clock is right more often than creationists.
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Then we're talking about confidence, not faith in a religious sense of the word. People who accept evolution have confidence that this is what happens in the natural world, but it isn't a religion, and doesn't have anything to do with one.
Agreed. Faith means confidence without evidence (when used in the religious sense, anyway). Evolution has evidence, so faith doesn't really fit, terminologically.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Misconception 5:Evolution requires faith like Religion. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This does aggrivate me as well. We hear often from creationists or those who don't accept evolution that it requires faith to believe in. That can also imply that things are just made up.
However, this is NOT the case. Evolution is a theory which best explains our current data. There really is no faith in Evolution, since it is an adaptable and changing theory by its very nature. There is no faith required in reading fossils to determine there age - in fact much work in science is done to eliminate any guesswork.
In science, ANY guesswork is not good. You have to be as accurate as possible to reflect reality. You simply cannot wish something into existence. If there was no evidence for evolution, it simply would not exist.
At the same token, I find it quite insulting that creationists will claim that evolution requires faith, therefore it is bad, and yet they are fully ok with the fact that creationism is based on faith.
To surmise:
Most creationists feel that faith is not allright when looking at evolution - even though faith is never taken into account, yet are perfectly comfortable with applying faith to creationism.
Is it just me, or is this double standard quite illogical? Why is it ok to claim evolution is lies because of the misconception that it requires faith? Why couldn't we say the same thing about Creationism - that it is silly because it requires faith in the unseen and untestable?
Evolution is observable, it is testable, and it makes predictions. Can creationism claim that? I don't think so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Misconception 6:Evolution is only a theory. Cannot be proved ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is really just a misconception of the scientific method and how it works. Obviously nothing is science cannot be proved (as in absolute truth); not even gravity. However, we do make predictions in regards to relativity to bending light. Predictions later confirmed with technological advancements. First, we should clarify what "evolution" means. Like so many other words, it has more than one meaning. Its strict biological definition is "a change in allele frequencies over time." By that definition, evolution is an indisputable fact. Most people seem to associate the word "evolution" mainly with common descent, the theory that all life arose from one common ancestor. Many people believe that there is enough evidence to call this a fact, too. However, common descent is still not the theory of evolution, but just a fraction of it (and a part of several quite different theories as well). The theory of evolution not only says that life evolved, it also includes mechanisms, like mutations, natural selection, and genetic drift, which go a long way towards explaining how life evolved.
Calling the theory of evolution "only a theory" is, strictly speaking, true, but the idea it tries to convey is completely wrong. The argument rests on a confusion between what "theory" means in informal usage and in a scientific context. A theory, in the scientific sense, is "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" [Random House American College Dictionary]. The term does not imply tentativeness or lack of certainty. Generally speaking, scientific theories differ from scientific laws only in that laws can be expressed more tersely. Being a theory implies self-consistency, agreement with observations, and usefulness. (Creationism fails to be a theory mainly because of the last point; it makes few or no specific claims about what we would expect to find, so it can't be used for anything. When it does make falsifiable predictions, they prove to be false.)
Lack of proof isn't a weakness, either. On the contrary, claiming infallibility for one's conclusions is a sign of hubris. Nothing in the real world has ever been rigorously proved, or ever will be. Proof, in the mathematical sense, is possible only if you have the luxury of defining the universe you're operating in. In the real world, we must deal with levels of certainty based on observed evidence. The more and better evidence we have for something, the more certainty we assign to it; when there is enough evidence, we label the something a fact, even though it still isn't 100% certain.
What evolution has is what any good scientific claim has--evidence, and lots of it. Evolution is supported by a wide range of observations throughout the fields of genetics, anatomy, ecology, animal behavior, paleontology, and others. If you wish to challenge the theory of evolution, you must address that evidence. You must show that the evidence is either wrong or irrelevant or that it fits another theory better. Of course, to do this, you must know both the theory and the evidence.
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Strahler, Arthur. 1987. Science and Earth History
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Misconception 6:Evolution is only a theory. Cannot be proved ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is really just a misconception of the scientific method and how it works. Obviously nothing is science cannot be proved (as in absolute truth); not even gravity.
Evolutionist Bolonga # 6 : nothing in science cannot be proved. So If i jump off a 100 story building if not been proven beyond any reasonable doubt what would happen next? If I turn on my gas stove and let the gas fill my home and then light a match , you are telling me it not been proven what would happen next? Are you saying we don't know water is H2O beyond a reasonable doubt? Has it not been proven if I jump in front a 18 wheeler going 55 mph on the highway who would win the fight? There is science that's is base on solid facts then there science based of beliefs and philosophy. Evolutionist tries to claim all science in the same but this is totally false.
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Romans 3:3-4 "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;"
So you logic is creationists is always wrong and can never be correct about anything. Of course evolution requires faith. Even going ot a doctor requires faith. You accept evolution as dogma and believe all creationists must be wrong while even a broken clock is right atleast twice a day.
This is a misunderstanding of things, once something is stablished as a fact there is no longer need to think of such a thing as anything else. For example the earth is round, those who say to the contrary are always wrong. The same with Evolution, it happens the plethora of evidence supports it, those who say the contrary are also wrong.
Evolution is not dogma or faith but fact, creationism however is.
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Evolutionist Bolonga # 6 : nothing in science cannot be proved. So If i jump off a 100 story building if not been proven beyond any reasonable doubt what would happen next? If I turn on my gas stove and let the gas fill my home and then light a match , you are telling me it not been proven what would happen next? Are you saying we don't know water is H2O beyond a reasonable doubt? Has it not been proven if I jump in front a 18 wheeler going 55 mph on the highway who would win the fight? There is science that's is base on solid facts then there science based of beliefs and philosophy. Evolutionist tries to claim all science in the same but this is totally false.
Science explains how things work as well as what happens, that gas burns is sort of science, however science also tells us that the gas is made up of atoms and molecules that react with each other by exchanging electrons. This cannot be directly observed, only deduced through scientific experimentations, atomic theory. Much like evolutionary theory.
So If i jump off a 100 story building if not been proven beyond any reasonable doubt what would happen next?
the bolded words are key here. yes, science can establish something beyond any reasonable doubt (which has been done for evolution). what it can't do is establish anything with 100% absolute certainty, which is what the word "proof" implies, as that is what you get with mathematical proofs, for example. science always allows the possibility that some new evidence will turn up in the future that will prove our previous ideas wrong. sure, every time we drop something off a building it falls. but science has to allow for the possibility that next time we drop something, it might float in mid air.
the bolded words are key here. yes, science can establish something beyond any reasonable doubt (which has been done for evolution). what it can't do is establish anything with 100% absolute certainty, which is what the word "proof" implies, as that is what you get with mathematical proofs, for example. science always allows the possibility that some new evidence will turn up in the future that will prove our previous ideas wrong. sure, every time we drop something off a building it falls. but science has to allow for the possibility that next time we drop something, it might float in mid air.
Evolutionist's deception is trying to claim evolution is as strong as jumping off a building. Not all science are solid as a rock. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see evolution isn't that solid so no, it hasn't been done with evolution because it not beyond reasonable doubt. This is an attempt to cover up how bad the theory is.
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