We're the damned that were left behind

EugeneS · #1 31st May 2002, 08:50 AM

From reading what the Preterists say I keep getting the eerie feeling that Satan wants us to believe that the Second Coming already happened. If the resurrection already took place (John 11:24), and the saints were taken to heaven (John 14:3), then aren’t we the damned that were left behind?

What assurances does Preterism offer to say this isn’t so?

Eugene Shubert

Chris†opher Paul · #2 31st May 2002, 09:36 AM

That is scary! I wonder what the answer is to that problem?

armothe · #3 31st May 2002, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by EugeneS
From reading what the Preterists say I keep getting the eerie feeling that Satan wants us to believe that the Second Coming already happened. If the resurrection already took place (John 11:24), and the saints were taken to heaven (John 14:3), then aren’t we the damned that were left behind?

What assurances does Preterism offer to say this isn’t so?

Eugene Shubert

Preterists believe the "2nd Coming" was a literal, spiritual event. It sealed the fate of the first covenant which was based on physical works, righteousness, and the law; and completed the ushering in of the second covenant.

This second covenant between God and man is entirely spiritual. If you believe God sent his Son to die (and rise) for man's sins, then you are now a part of this second covenant. Did anything physical about you change? Probably not. This second covenant, or Salvation, is spiritual in nature. If you've accepted the gift of salvation, you are currently living in the "new kingdom". God speaks to you through your reading of His word, and you speak back to Him by praying and praise.

Practicing Jewish law, leading a moral life, or doing good works will not effect this covenant you made. The mere fact that you believe in Christ's sacrifice for your sins saves you.

Subsequently, the "non-saints" who were left on earth were not the "damned ones". I don't know where in the Bible it says that.

-A

Chris†opher Paul · #4 31st May 2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by armothe

Practicing Jewish law, leading a moral life, or doing good works will not effect this covenant you made. The mere fact that you believe in Christ's sacrifice for your sins saves you.
-A

While I agree that accepting Christ's sarifice is neccesary for salvation, I am not sure that is is sufficient.

I think that both accepting and living the life are required. Else, I could just go around killing people with no care in the world.

armothe · #5 31st May 2002, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by s0uljah
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While I agree that accepting Christ's sarifice is neccesary for salvation, I am not sure that is is sufficient

I would need some scriptural evidence that states salvation, alone, isn't sufficient enough (to get to heaven?).

I think that both accepting and living the life are required. Else, I could just go around killing people with no care in the world.

You killing someone is a sin. Me cheating on a test is a sin. Not one sin is greater than the other. The fact that Christ's blood covers *all* sin makes it possible for all sinners alike to be sanctified in God's eyes.

If one admits that Christ's blood covers our sins, one has to admit that God no longer "sees" us as sinners. He sees us as being sanctified through Christ's blood. Hence, it really doesn't matter to him who sins worse than who.

It is clear that we are no longer judged based on works. We are judged based upon our acceptance of Christ's blood - alone.
I agree that as those who accepted Christ's sacrifce, we should be eager to live glorifying lives for God.....but we are not judged based upon this.

-A
(I realize I made some bold statements)

EugeneS · #6 31st May 2002, 10:48 AM

You folks sure know how to get off topic.

armothe · #7 31st May 2002, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by EugeneS
You folks sure know how to get off topic.

I had already addressed your question.

-A

parousia70 · #8 31st May 2002, 11:46 AM

Eugene Asked:
From reading what the Preterists say I keep getting the eerie feeling that Satan wants us to believe that the Second Coming already happened. If the resurrection already took place (John 11:24), and the saints were taken to heaven (John 14:3), then aren’t we the damned that were left behind?

What assurances does Preterism offer to say this isn’t so?

First, you'll need to provide scripture to back up your claim that the "damned" are to be left behind.

I manitain scripture testifies the exact opposite.

It is the wicked who are "taken" and the righteous who are "left behind"

Matt 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one (wicked) will be taken (in judgement) and the other (righteous) left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one (wicked) will be taken (in Judgement) and the other (righteous) left.

You see, it is the righteous who are "left behind" on earth and the wicked who are taken away, Just as it was in Noah's day.

parousia70 · #9 31st May 2002, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by EugeneS
From reading what the Preterists say I keep getting the eerie feeling that Satan wants us to believe that the Second Coming already happened.

It's my eerie feeling that Satan wants us to believe the 2nd coming has not ocourred, and we do not yet have victory over him.

Why wouldn't a "defeated foe" desire us to believe he is not defeated yet? He absolutely would.

Do you believe Christ was successful in defeating Satan, or has the victory not yet been won?

EugeneS · #10 31st May 2002, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by armothe
I had already addressed your question.

You don't even understand my question.