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30th May 2002, 02:27 AM
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from LouisBooth:
"Yay for a god who creates EVIL!!!"
wow...you're way off there buddy/
Apologies if this thread duplicates another one here (I didn't notice any so hopefully LouisBooth isn't creating one at the same time I'm occupied on this screen).
Anyway, would LouisBooth (or whoever has an explanation) please explain how Zadok was mistaken (or otherwise "way off")? In the past, Christians have told me that God does create evil so that we may have the option of pursuing that option, thereby allowing us free will. |
30th May 2002, 02:43 AM
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30th May 2002, 02:47 AM
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Evil is not a created thing. It is an absence. Refer to Thomas Aquantus for more.
I didn't ask Thomas Aquantus, I asked you, LouisBooth. While I can appreciate that you don't want to reproduce a large theological tretise, I would like something more than an one-liner, unorthodox as it may be. |
30th May 2002, 03:05 AM
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Reps: 8 (power: 0) | | | oh, okay, well justlike I said he didn't create it because its not a created thing. Its an absence. an absence of good. |
30th May 2002, 03:51 AM
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I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil |
30th May 2002, 05:10 AM
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Isaiah 45:6-7
I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil
Perhaps LouisBooth is a salad-bar Christian. The ironic part is that LouisBooth seems to take great pleasure in threatening people who don't agree with him for not agreeing with him. |
30th May 2002, 11:15 AM
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Evil is not a created thing. It is an absence. Refer to Thomas Aquantus for more.
Interesting. This atheist has a English translation of the "Summa Theologica" by Thomas Aquinas at arm's reach. Two volumes, copyright 1941, Encyclopedia Britannica.
Since you are so familiar with Aquinas, can you give me a specific reference so I can look it up?
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30th May 2002, 04:27 PM
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Reps: 845,609,741,529 (power: 845,609,760) | | | Hmmm.. I am gonna think on this one for awhile. But what first came to my mind is that God created everything...nothing exists that He did not make. Therefore He made Lucifer, who is the father of all sin and evil. So indirectly God made evil.
However, I do not believe God made evil to test us or whatever. Just like in the book of Job, He allows Satan to mess things up to test our faith.
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oh, okay, well justlike I said he didn't create it because its not a created thing. Its an absence. an absence of good.
Oh, ok, sins are not ACTUALLY acts, they're absences of acts. :rolleyes:
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30th May 2002, 08:19 PM
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This is the verse you should address and one I am addressing as well. I would say that you make possilbe a negative when you create a fulliness. Just like if you make a perfect circle, others that try to atempt the same thing will fall short and you have created an imperfect circle in that way. Also if you look at the context of that verse the reason that is stated is to show God's power and authority, not to make an implicid statement.
Ray, sure, i'll get my sources and get back to you on it. I"m thinking there is quite a large section where he deals with the probelm of evil. Since you have it handy and I do not you will see that he views it as an uncreated thing.  | | |
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