Some honest answers please...

LewisWildermuth · #1 29th May 2002, 11:13 AM

I would like to know some things from fello Christians...

Why is it that creationism vs evolution, flood vs no-flood, are concidered so important to the faith.

If you are a creationist,would you loose your faith if evolution was proven true tommorow? How would it change the way you see God?

What about you evolutionists? What if creationism was proven? Would you loose your faith? Would it change the way you see God?

What about the flood?

What if it happened?

What if it didn't?

This is not bait for an argument, I am really curious.

theyre here · #2 29th May 2002, 11:19 AM

Evolution is not a "faith." Creationists continue to make this mistake. If creation is proven, there is no "faith" to loose for evolutionary scientists and those who believe science.

If creation was proven, it would cause pause among scientific communities, certainly. But not for long, they'd soon be tracking down how God evolved.

randman · #3 29th May 2002, 11:50 AM

Evolution is a faith, and that is the whole point in the matter.

For me, if evolution were true, it wouldn't shake my faith at all. I argue about evolution because I don't see it as real science for the most part, but an alternative religion which is being erroneously passed off as science. By evolution, I am primarily speaking of atheistic evolution where any supernatural intervention is ruled out automatically.

Didaskomenos · #4 29th May 2002, 11:57 AM

Either way's ok with me. But then again, I guess I'm neither a "creationist" nor an "evolutionist."

Neither view invalidates the Bible, but the one you take merely indicates how you interpret it. I just want to know the Truth.

tycho · #5 29th May 2002, 01:53 PM

By evolution, I am primarily speaking of atheistic evolution where any supernatural intervention is ruled out automatically.

Well, here's the part where scientists say "Yep, that's how it works in science." God is out of the scope of science. Science is the study of the natural world & its phenomena. If there's a supernatural phenomena, science is unable to explain it. To gripe & moan because God's hand in setting the groundwork for the natural world to function is silly. If I were to take up a countercomplaint, I could complain that church Sunday school classes never discuss the hydrodynamics. Your response should be, "Yes, what's your point?".

seebs · #6 29th May 2002, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by randman
Evolution is a faith, and that is the whole point in the matter.

No, it's not "a faith", any more than Newton's Laws. Indeed, we *know* Newton's Laws are wrong, but we use them anyway because they work so much of the time.

A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says. Evolutionary science adapts and changes with evidence. Faith doesn't.

randman · #7 29th May 2002, 03:40 PM

"A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says."

That is a lie.

seebs · #8 29th May 2002, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by randman
"A faith is something you choose to believe in no matter what the evidence says."

That is a lie.

Hmm. It may be a false statement, but I don't think I can be convinced that it's a lie. Thinking about it more, I do think it's an overstatement.

Still, "lie" implies some level of willful deception, which I can't find evidence for.

randman · #9 29th May 2002, 04:01 PM

Maybe then ignorant is a better word to describe your statement.

Faith must have evidence,at least for the Christian. There can be times when you choose to believe despite contrary evidence, but that is due to still believing that your prior evidence trumps the way something might appear.

seebs · #10 29th May 2002, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by randman

Faith must have evidence,at least for the Christian. There can be times when you choose to believe despite contrary evidence, but that is due to still believing that your prior evidence trumps the way something might appear.

I would point out that whether or not faith has, can have, or should have evidence is not a universally agreed upon tenet of Christianity. I got here through evidence and reason; other people get here through faith. I happen to disagree with the writers who have claimed that seeking evidence drives people from true faith, but they existed, and they had faith too.