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View Poll Results: Does the idea of being descended from earlier primates make you uncomfortable?
I'm an evolutionist and I'm comfortable with the idea 87 89.69%
I'm an evolutionist and I'm NOT comfortable with the idea 2 2.06%
I'm a creationist and I'm comfortable with the idea 1 1.03%
I'm a creationist and I'm NOT comfortable with the idea 7 7.22%
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you know I had a Creationist flashback reading this

Kinda funny cuz wasn't that what 2 months ago that I was defending OEC here?

Anyhow, I am 34 and for most of my life minus 2 months I believed humans were specially created. It was hard for me to picture the big picture. Because you look at a family of animals now like reptiles, birds, mammals and they seem so fixed. It wasn't until my internet friend showed me pictures of intermediate animals like the pangolin that I started to say well maybe. I never thought it was impossible just because I couldn't picture it before but I don't accept things w/o understanding them.

But I remember before I accepted the ToE sometimes looking at a monkey and feeling a vague uneasiness. I know this sounds silly to people who have always known everything about everything.

Any how that is my confession of a former Creationist. I still don't get why people are typing on the internet and the rest of the animal world is out there in the woods and in pens, and pastures. I think that one explanation is that complex social settings select for intelligence. But then dogs like my dog have been in human society for 40,000 years and he is smart but not sentient.

I know that makes no sense.
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Should I take some sort of personal offense to the idea? *shrug*
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Originally Posted by Freodin
I know that I am descended from a upper-rank Nazi figure in Berlin.
Not the time or place, I know, but... who?
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Originally Posted by 2Timothy2
What's to be comfortable or uncomfortable about? We aren't descended from earlier primates.
... you're kidding, right?
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Nope. I love primates. You know that part in History of the World when the primates gather around the monolith from 2001: Space Odyssey? That's how it went down.
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Originally Posted by consideringlily
Any how that is my confession of a former Creationist. I still don't get why people are typing on the internet and the rest of the animal world is out there in the woods and in pens, and pastures. I think that one explanation is that complex social settings select for intelligence. But then dogs like my dog have been in human society for 40,000 years and he is smart but not sentient.

I know that makes no sense.
How is a dog not sentient?
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I knew someone would ding me for that

I was using sentient in this context

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adj 1: endowed with feeling and unstructured consciousness; "the living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage"- T.E.Lawrence [syn: animate] [ant: insentient] 2: consciously perceiving; "sentient of the intolerable load"; "a boy so sentient of his surroundings"- W.A.White
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How is a dog not sentient?
Dogs are aware of and have feelings to an extent. But they are not consciously aware of the meaning of them.

I think this sort of minimization is part of the reason that some Creationists stay incredulous of the ToE.

If some philosphical naturalists are so certain that there are minimal differences between the rest of the animal world and the human animal(though there are an overwhelming number of similarities), than why not run around in the naked in the woods?
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Originally Posted by 2Timothy2
What's to be comfortable or uncomfortable about? We aren't descended from earlier primates.
If you're a primate now, then you would have to be, wouldn't you?
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I must need glasses. I misread the thread title...




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Does being descended from earlier primates make you uncomfortable?
Being descended from humans makes me uncomfortable.
Earlier ancestor....I guess I can live with that
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