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I'm an evolutionist and I'm comfortable with the idea
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I'm an evolutionist and I'm NOT comfortable with the idea
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I'm a creationist and I'm comfortable with the idea
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I'm a creationist and I'm NOT comfortable with the idea
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11th April 2005, 07:59 PM
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Anyhow, I am 34 and for most of my life minus 2 months I believed humans were specially created. It was hard for me to picture the big picture. Because you look at a family of animals now like reptiles, birds, mammals and they seem so fixed. It wasn't until my internet friend showed me pictures of intermediate animals like the pangolin that I started to say well maybe. I never thought it was impossible just because I couldn't picture it before but I don't accept things w/o understanding them.
But I remember before I accepted the ToE sometimes looking at a monkey and feeling a vague uneasiness. I know this sounds silly to people who have always known everything about everything.
Any how that is my confession of a former Creationist. I still don't get why people are typing on the internet and the rest of the animal world is out there in the woods and in pens, and pastures. I think that one explanation is that complex social settings select for intelligence. But then dogs like my dog have been in human society for 40,000 years and he is smart but not sentient.
I know that makes no sense.
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11th April 2005, 08:13 PM
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11th April 2005, 09:13 PM
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Reps: 23,030 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Freodin I know that I am descended from a upper-rank Nazi figure in Berlin.
Not the time or place, I know, but... who?
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11th April 2005, 10:18 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 2Timothy2 What's to be comfortable or uncomfortable about? We aren't descended from earlier primates. 
... you're kidding, right? | 
11th April 2005, 10:45 PM
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Reps: 45,671 (power: 63) | | Nope. I love primates. You know that part in History of the World when the primates gather around the monolith from 2001: Space Odyssey? That's how it went down.
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11th April 2005, 11:30 PM
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Reps: 13,290 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by consideringlily Any how that is my confession of a former Creationist. I still don't get why people are typing on the internet and the rest of the animal world is out there in the woods and in pens, and pastures. I think that one explanation is that complex social settings select for intelligence. But then dogs like my dog have been in human society for 40,000 years and he is smart but not sentient.
I know that makes no sense. How is a dog not sentient?
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11th April 2005, 11:46 PM
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(dictionary,com)
adj 1: endowed with feeling and unstructured consciousness; "the living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage"- T.E.Lawrence [syn: animate] [ant: insentient] 2: consciously perceiving; "sentient of the intolerable load"; "a boy so sentient of his surroundings"- W.A.White Originally Posted by Asimov How is a dog not sentient?
Dogs are aware of and have feelings to an extent. But they are not consciously aware of the meaning of them.
I think this sort of minimization is part of the reason that some Creationists stay incredulous of the ToE.
If some philosphical naturalists are so certain that there are minimal differences between the rest of the animal world and the human animal(though there are an overwhelming number of similarities), than why not run around in the naked in the woods?
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12th April 2005, 01:30 AM
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Reps: 10,025,210 (power: 10,035) | | Originally Posted by 2Timothy2 What's to be comfortable or uncomfortable about? We aren't descended from earlier primates. 
If you're a primate now, then you would have to be, wouldn't you?
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12th April 2005, 02:22 AM
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Grandpappy?
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12th April 2005, 02:52 AM
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Reps: 3,638,819,791,673 (power: 3,638,819,801) | | Does being descended from earlier primates make you uncomfortable? Being descended from humans makes me uncomfortable.
Earlier ancestor....I guess I can live with that
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