Unorthodox TheologyA forum to discuss/debate theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. Full Preterism, Unitarianism)
We all indeed believe Jesus died on the cross in the flesh, and resurrected again on the 3rd day in the flesh. And we are definitely saved by the blood of Jesus, if not, our faith is useless (1 Corinthians 15:14).
However we don't believe Christ's body is limited to the flesh (John 14:19, John 16:16-19, 2 Corinthians 5:16-17, 1 Tim 6:15-16, 1 Tim 1:17)
I gladly affirm exactly what Hoonbaba stated; ALL Christians that hold the preterist eschatology believe Jesus died on the cross in the flesh, that He resurrected again on the 3rd day in the flesh, and that we are saved by His blood.
Whoever told you differently has misrepresented us and has no idea what we actually believe.
In Christ,
Acts6:5
__________________ Jesus said unto them, "And whom do you say that I am?"
They replied,"You are the eschatological manifestation of the ground of our being, the ontological foundation of the context of our very selfhood revealed."
And Jesus replied, "Huh?"
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Last edited by Acts6:5; 28th May 2002 at 08:57 AM.
Preterism absolutely afirms that Jesus Christ Died in the flesh on the cross, and rose in the flesh on the 3rd day, and Christians are saved by his shed blood.
When speaking of Christian theology in general, Rest assured, If the Bible teaches it, Preterism affirms it.
I'll echo what was already said in that you were grossly misinformend by someone who either dosen't know any better, or wishes to spread untruth about preterism for one reason or another.
Re: Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus?
Originally posted by Erwin Someone brought to my attention the fact that preterists do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus.
I want to clarify this point - do preterists believe that Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day - a flesh and blood resurrection?
Also, are we saved by the blood of Jesus?
Thank you.
Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but you did ask for clarification.
After re reading your post Erwin, I realized you asked If preterists believe in a "flesh and blood" resurrection.
Maybe I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last) but I am unaware of anything in the Bible that says Jesus' resurrection was "Flesh and Blood"
I believe it was indeed "flesh and Bone", but I believe His blood was shed, and am unaware of any sripture that supports the idea that Blood continued to course through his veins after he rose.
I would welcome the opportunity to be corrected about this.
Also, to clarify what you believe Dr. Loh, may I ask if you believe Jesus rose from the grave in a "Glorified" Body or did it receive glorification sometime after that?
Re: Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus?
Originally posted by Erwin
Someone brought to my attention the fact that preterists do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus.
I want to clarify this point - do preterists believe that Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day - a flesh and blood resurrection?
Also, are we saved by the blood of Jesus?
G'day Erwin
What was represented to you as preterist "fact" -was definitely misrepresented or at least misunderstood and was definitely "fiction" -covenant eschatology affirms the physical resurrection of Christ. His resurrection was not quite as you said however, as in "a flesh and blood resurrection?" Flesh and bone, yes -but blood no:
Luke 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Jesus' resurrection was unique as He was the only one ever prophesied or promised not to see physical corruption i.e., decay. Jesus HAD to rise physically from the dead as proof of his claims to "lay down His life AND take it up again."
davo
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Re: Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus?
Originally posted by Erwin Someone brought to my attention the fact that preterists do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus.
I want to clarify this point - do preterists believe that Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day - a flesh and blood resurrection?
Also, are we saved by the blood of Jesus?
Thank you.
My two cents, YES, every "preterist" that I know believes in the redemptive sacrifice and death on the cross of Messiah, and his physical resurrection.
__________________ But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 1 Co 2:14-15
Re: Re: Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus?
Originally posted by davo
G'day Erwin
What was represented to you as preterist "fact" -was definitely misrepresented or at least misunderstood and was definitely "fiction" -covenant eschatology affirms the physical resurrection of Christ. His resurrection was not quite as you said however, as in "a flesh and blood resurrection?" Flesh and bone, yes -but blood no:
Luke 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Jesus' resurrection was unique as He was the only one ever prophesied or promised not to see physical corruption i.e., decay. Jesus HAD to rise physically from the dead as proof of his claims to "lay down His life AND take it up again."
davo
So, you are saying that since Jesus did not mention eyes, ears, lips, tongue, hair, lungs, etc., that He was merely a tent of skin, draped over His skeleton?
Re: Re: Re: Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus?
Originally posted by TheBear
So, you are saying that since Jesus did not mention eyes, ears, lips, tongue, hair, lungs, etc., that He was merely a tent of skin, draped over His skeleton?
I can't speak for davo, but since you are asking this, also the question should be asked "Did Jesus for example have the need for ears, and the internal ear mechanism and nerves in order to hear the disciples speaking"?
The same goes for lungs, heart, brain...did he have sexual organs...etc? If so why? What was the need for something like this?
Like davo said, the resurrection of Christ was one of a kind, and the only physical one talked about in the scripture. Jesus is called "firstborn of the dead " and "firstfruits of the resurrection ". What does that mean? If the resurrection is to be physical, then clearly the Bible is wrong, because many others were physically resurrected before Christ was.
Were you nor resurrected when you were saved by Christ's blood? Did you not come from death to life? If so, how much more alive in Christ will you be if your physical body will be immortal?
__________________ But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 1 Co 2:14-15
Do Preterists believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus? 
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