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Fallacy of Equivocation, which I explained above.

And that there is Eutychianism; Jesus is still Man. It is in violation of the Formula of Chalcedon.
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Old 7th April 2005, 09:33 PM
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You are really really making me mad Paladin... According to your posts, you are calling me a heretic which you have NO RIGHT of doing!

Also, Jesus was capable of sinning yet, he never didd, never will, and never really could...

God is much much greater than us humans... According to your view, you believe neither was subject to the other, yet you are very wrong... Humans are zilch compared to God... God is everything, God is so much greater than humans, and because God is so much greater than humans, Jesus' Godly side had more dominion than his human side...
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BTW, I never ever said Jesus only had one nature... I believe he had two, human and divine, yet his divine ruled over him because God is soo much greater than all humans.

Also, because you are saying he was equally human and equally God, you are saying it is possible he was married, however this is very much impossible.

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Nevermind, i'm just not going to argue anymore...

I just have to say, the way you presented it to me was, in my eyes, rude and very uncomfortable for me.
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Originally Posted by 88Devin07
BTW, I never ever said Jesus only had one nature... I believe he had two, human and divine, yet his divine ruled over him because God is soo much greater than all humans.
His natures where united in one person. Neither dominated the other.
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Actually, in order for Christ to be sinless, His human side (the flesh) had to be dominated by His divine side (spirit). The two are constantly at war with one another, so for the flesh to be so subdued to the point where He never sinned, the flesh had to be subordinate to His divinity.
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Originally Posted by abbygirlforever
Actually, in order for Christ to be sinless, His human side (the flesh) had to be dominated by His divine side (spirit). The two are constantly at war with one another, so for the flesh to be so subdued to the point where He never sinned, the flesh had to be subordinate to His divinity.
This statement is choked full of misunderstandings about the Christ.

It is not the case that Christ's flesh was human and His spirit Divine. His flesh was both, for the Word became Flesh. Further, He had both a human spirit and a divine spirit. If He lacked a human spirit, then we could not say that He is truly man.

His divine will and divine spirit did not dominate His human will and spirit. The human will cooperated with the Divine spirit.
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Originally Posted by 88Devin07
God is much much greater than us humans...
No, He created us a little lower than Himself. We were created exactly like He is...the only reason we are slightly lower is because He is the Creator, and we are the created. The created can't be greater than their Creator.

Now, mankind fell...and when that happed he fell below a fallen angel which was a serious put down.

But, those us us that have been born-again have been raised up to sit with Jesus at the right hand of God...far above all angels, fallen or otherwise!
People, we've now got it going on!
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Joh 4:34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work.

Joh 5:19 Jesus replied, "I assure you, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

30 But I do nothing without consulting the Father. I judge as I am told. And my judgment is absolutely just, because it is according to the will of God who sent me; it is not merely my own.

Joh 6:38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do what I want.
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