Lies for Christ?

Doesn't the bible say lies are bad things?

Chick Publications sent me a free tract today, called The Nervous Witch.

It's about a teen whose Mother gets saved, and then the guy with the cheesy mustache saves the teen from witchcraft, while driving her friend out of the house and her new saved life.

Thing is, the girl blames the Harry Potter books for seducing them into evil. Now, it's one thing to hold Potter, or D&D to be inherently sinful, but should one lie about it?

There is a crystal ball in HP, belonging to a loon of an instructor who actually is held to be something of a fool. She teaches divination, but she only has made two successful predictions...in her life.

But there are no tarot cards, no ouija board...and while there are a few decorative Ghosts, there are no familiar spirits and no spirit guides.

So, even if it is evil, isn't the inherent evil enough? Is it proper to embellish, enhance, and make up complete lies, even in a 'good' cause?

Exodus 23:1, to me, seems to prohibit lying...is there a verse that justifies white lies, or lies FOR the cause?

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No.

As you might expect, Chick is continuing his powerful testimony that Satan *does* influence people directly.

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Doesn't Romans 3:7 say something about lies being ok, if they glorify God?

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Hmmm....3:7 seems to question, if my lie has increased the glory of god, why would i be considered a sinner?
And after that, 3:8 seems (to me) to then say that those that accuse me of lying should burn in hell.

Huh? I lied, but it was okay. So don't call me a liar, or face damnation.

Well, from the Childcare Action Project movie review of Harry Potter: Ah, well. What's a commandment between believers....

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Alone and out of context it could be read that way. But the next verse says "as some people slanderously charge us with saying". i.e. that is a false doctrine.

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Jack Chick tracts come in handy when I need to line my rabbit cage.

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Exodus 23:1, to me, seems to prohibit lying...is there a verse that justifies white lies, or lies FOR the cause? [/b][/quote]

I think there isn't, but this scripture comes to mind :

Romans 2:15 "show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)"
Romans 2:16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to the Gospel.

I think that this is a matter more based upon faith in what you believe is right or wrong.

You reap what you sow and All secrets come to light, etc..

People will find out if you lie about things like that. All of this talk about Harry Potter is basically preaching to the converted. Making ridiculous claims about millions of kids and such can only make you look like a fool, and when people figure out that you're just spouting nonsense and making things up, they won't trust you for anything. Including whatever truths you might have.

I always say that there are two main possibilities:
1. With true statistics the ideas are still alarming, and so using the true statistics will also accomplish your goal.
or
2. With the true statistics, the ideas are no longer valid, in which case they should be abandoned. No one should want to argue something based on fallacious statistics.

-Chris

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But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner? - Romans 3:7, NASB

It doesn't say that lying isn't a sin. It's an example of the question & answer style that Paul uses in Romans. The questions that he states are usually questions that have been asked by those that are either skeptical about Christianity or do not have a clear understanding of Christianity. Paul comes back with "certainly not!", "on the contrary!", or other such responses, after which he explains the position.

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Sounds like this "tract" was more anti-Harry Potter than Pro-God.

I useda watch Bewitched on TV and would go around playing Samantha. I do not feel I was encouraged to do anything satanic.

As for lying, it is NEVER OK. God would never ever need to use sin to further His kingdom.

I am with Annabel... Sounds like litter lining to me!

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