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22nd May 2002, 06:17 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | new covenant, laws HEB 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
In the new covenant, who is "the house of Israel" and what are "the laws" that God writes into "His people"? | 
22nd May 2002, 06:31 PM
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The laws he writes is the living Word - Jesus Christ.
So combining these two:
This passage is talking about a future day where Jews finally have recieved Jesus as their Messiah in their hearts.
Of course, as believers in Jesus for our salvation, we too are adopted in His family and thus become a part of His people. | 
12th April 2005, 05:52 PM
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Reps: 126 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 2002 Christian HEB 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
In the new covenant, who is "the house of Israel" and what are "the laws" that God writes into "His people"?
the house of Israel, i believe, although i wouldn't trust my opinion, is everybody, all of His children, and the laws are basically what He would and would not have us do. the Ten Commandments would be a godd start. | 
12th April 2005, 07:34 PM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 2002 Christian HEB 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
In the new covenant, who is "the house of Israel" and what are "the laws" that God writes into "His people"?
Hi there!
The "laws" in that passage in Greek is "nomos"... in this text to mean "the plural of things prescribed by the divine will" (Thayer's) Or, in blueletterbible.com, c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love There are several words in both Hebrew and Greek to mean different types of law. The Greek word "entole" usually refers to the Old Testament "law". If that were the meaning to be taken by the writer of Hebrews, then the author would have used "entole", or "miswah", "hoq", "torah","peh", "diatagma",
"entalma", and "prostagma". The writer chose to use "nomos" BTW... Thayer's gives a verse-by-verse translation of the meaning of nomos (law) for every usage in the New Testament as on some occasions, it does at times refer to the content of the Mosaic law, but in this case where it addresses the laws of the "Lord"... the Lord is Jesus Christ. According to verse 8, the house of Israel are those in reference to the tribes, in verse 10, it is a the "spritual" house of Israel, this may be recognized by the term... "after those days" . 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: I hope this helps in your understanding. ~serapha~ | 
13th April 2005, 01:00 AM
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Reps: 6,053 (power: 20) | | Originally Posted by 2002 Christian HEB 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
In the new covenant, who is "the house of Israel" and what are "the laws" that God writes into "His people"?
This is a great question, but one that most people, including myself, are just now coming to understand fully. It takes close observation and much study reading the Old Testament in context, following closely who is being addressed, as there are hundreds of statements made by God speaking to the house of Israel and the house of Judah seperately. Even their years in captivity differed greatly and play into what we have today as a split Israel. His final intention is that they be reunited even though the house of Israel is known as the "lost tribes of Israel". However, they were never lost to God.
Amos 9:9 "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.
It is through the house of Israel that the Gentiles have received salvation, the "firstborn" promise of God, as Jacob, whose name became Israel after he wrestled the angel of the Lord for a blessing, passed the covenant promise of God to Ephraim (Gen.48:18-20). To Judah, Jacob (Israel) gave the sceptre of leadership or kingship (Gen. 49:10). This caused the split of the nation of Israel right after the death of Solomon. The split is very similar to the civil war of the United States, in that one nation was split into two houses - north and south. Each house had a part of God's promise, and they were jealous of one another and fought, eventually splitting and taking their own kings. It didn't matter, though, as God always turns the bad things men do into good before all is finished.
God has promised to reunite both houses before or at the end times, and there is great meaning woven into the fabric of God's plan for mankind through this split. Here is a link with a little information taken from a very good book about this subject: http://www.messianichome.org/Article...notapeople.htm? http://www.aarons-advocates.org/BACHA7.html http://www.aarons-advocates.org/BACHA8.html http://www.aarons-advocates.org/BACHA15.html
Now the New Covenant speaks of God giving men new hearts with His laws written in them instead of men trying to obey laws written on stone and obeying from the outside in. This is what happens when we are "born again". We receive our new hearts (spirits) from God, and it is through this abiding Spirit of God that we can overcome the old nature of sin and death.
Eze 11:19 "Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,
John 3:5 Jesus replied, "The truth is, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven.
7 So don’t be surprised at my statement that you must be born again.
Eventually, the Church of the firstborn and the house of Judah reunite under one banner, under one King - Jesus, and they will rule and reign with Him for the last thousand years, the day of the Lord.
Jer 3:18 In those days the house of Judah will walk with the house of Israel, and they will come together from the land of the north to the land that I gave your fathers as an inheritance.
Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Here we that Jesus was sent to those lost sheep of Israel and that they would hear and respond to His voice:
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Here we see that God's promise of "firstborn" is connected to the "Church of the firstborn".
Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
I have pages and pages of scripture from my own personal study about this, and it is too much to share online, but I can recommend Batya Wooten's book, "Who is Israel". There is much confusion and false doctrine because of misunderstanding this very thing. Part of her book can be read online for free, but I would still recommend reading the whole book, as it is an eye opener, unlocking and putting final meaning to many other passages in scripture about the chosen and God's plan to bless the whole world through the seed of Abraham. This link only has about half of her book, and the intro. is not Batya's. http://www.aarons-advocates.org/BACONT.html
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13th April 2005, 11:22 AM
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The law is written on our heart through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit becomes part of us and we become part of the Body of Christ.
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13th April 2005, 11:40 AM
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Also note:
Luk 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
2Co 3:2 You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
2Co 3:3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2Co 3:4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God.
2Co 3:5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
__________________ Luke 22:70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am." John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
1John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
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13th April 2005, 02:38 PM
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Thank You Lord for your Precious Son, Our Saviour . Help us to always keep close to our hearts and minds His ultimate sacrifice for us and to live accordingly.
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14th April 2005, 01:38 AM
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Peter asked Jesus if he was saying something to them or to everyone. I think that it applies to this question of who is Isreal.
Jesus does not answer in the way we would want or expect but cuts to the deeper issue.
Luke 12
35“Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. 39But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” 41Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”
42The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. 44I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47“That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. God knew that We would ask if He is talking to them or us or some future generation about His return, so He replied, not telling us when He will come but inciting us to do His will always because we do not know when He comes.
In the same way when He talks to Isrial about the gift of the Holy Spirit, He talks to all.
The laws are the ways of God and them being instilled in our hearts is talking about the Holy Spirit given to all who God calls. For the Holy Spirit teaches us all things. In the Old Testament the people relied on the priests, prophets and teachers of the Law to know what was the will of God. Now everyone who is saved has the Spirit within them and can directly get the answer from Him.
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