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17th April 2004, 02:00 AM
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17th April 2004, 03:37 AM
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Reps: 45,671 (power: 66) | | Originally Posted by watcher16 Since there is no evidence, and no one claiming there is  , of spacetravel beyond 1972, I say it does not exist.
Implying indeed the hoax. Argument from Ignorance
Notice the image.
Back in a place I like to call reality, not sending manned missions to the moon or other planets since landing on the moon is not evidence that we never landed on the moon to begin with.
There's an excellent analogy for this argument:
No country has launched a nuclear bomb since WWII. Therefore, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes and nuclear bombs do not exist.
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17th April 2004, 03:49 AM
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Reps: 26 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by watcher16 OK, if I had to guess why it doesn't work it would be this one. Afther Bush's (for NASA!) unexpected statement  to return to the moon, and later to mars, the radiation problem is said to be a possible showstopper. Quick corrected with the statement they are confident they could solve it.
See www.space.com for relevant articles and links.
That's in regards to solar flares which do require protection against. The Apollo had no such protection and if a flare had happened during the mission, they would of been in deep ****. The ISS has a shielded capsule to protect against this.
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18th April 2004, 02:12 AM
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Reps: 144 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Irish_Guevara Argument from Ignorance
Notice the image.
Back in a place I like to call reality, not sending manned missions to the moon or other planets since landing on the moon is not evidence that we never landed on the moon to begin with.
That is what I also say. So asking for proof of that is illogical. There's an excellent analogy for this argument:
No country has launched a nuclear bomb since WWII. Therefore, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hoaxes and nuclear bombs do not exist.
No, wrong. There are several countries that state they have the bombs, several have been tested in alle these years.
There is no country stating they travelled in space in the past 32 years. There is no country saying they can do this now.
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18th April 2004, 02:28 AM
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Reps: 144 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ikester7579 The only thing that I saw that was a fesible fact that the first moon landing might have been a hoax was: We were in a race with Russia. Them beating us to the moon would have shown the world they were superior in technology and possibly the military also. Russia had already put a satalite in orbit before anyone, so to beat us to the moon too, would have been a disaster.
But anyway, I'm convienced we've been there. And they have to build another moon lander with all of today's technology, right? Using the old stuff just won't do. So it will take ten years to build it. And it maybe one that can go again and again. Would not that be nice?
The space race is something that gives the reason for the Hoax. Indeed was to be beaten by the Russians seen as a coming token of the prevailance of communism. On all other aspects other than the moon travel the Russians had been first.  |
18th April 2004, 02:35 AM
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Why did the Russians examine the US rock samples with the small amount they retrieved with a lander that returned to Earth and they concurred the US samples were genuine?
And the US brought back 842 lbs of the stuff (the Russians had got about 1 lb themselves) - impossible for unamnned landers unless you launched hundreds of missions which I believe might have been noticed. |
18th April 2004, 02:42 AM
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Reps: 144 (power: 0) | | But, as I expected, no one disputes the fact there has been no spacetravel in the past 32 years?
And no one disputes that spacetravel is the one technical area in modern time that actually has a backward development in more that thirty years?
It is stated that Apollo took 7 years to put a man on the moon from 1962 on, and in 2004 it takes at least 10 year (also up to 20 is mentioned) to reproduce the same thing. Reproduce, not develop.
Everyting they would have had to find out is still available, and in low earth orbit-travel they have some 20 years of added experience. Spacesuits, long-time stay in 'space' etc. etc.
The technology used to bring a spacecraft to the moon is still available, the russians still use their 43 year old rockettechnology to bring the Sojuz in orbit. In fact it is so simple they don't even have a countdown. Compare that to the 'mission control' images Nasa fed the media.  |
18th April 2004, 02:49 AM
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Reps: 239 (power: 0) | | | Actually it is develope and not reproduce. Plus the aims are more comprehensive and people will not stand for the safety issues that were somewhat skirted around in the Apollo days.
Also one of the differences is manpower. In the late '60's NASA had a much larger budget (in today's dollars) and workforce.
Why would anyone dispute the 32 year figure? That is the figure! |
18th April 2004, 03:15 AM
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Reps: 115,032 (power: 128) | | Originally Posted by watcher16 But, as I expected, no one disputes the fact there has been no spacetravel in the past 32 years?
And no one disputes that spacetravel is the one technical area in modern time that actually has a backward development in more that thirty years?
It is stated that Apollo took 7 years to put a man on the moon from 1962 on, and in 2004 it takes at least 10 year (also up to 20 is mentioned) to reproduce the same thing. Reproduce, not develop.
Everyting they would have had to find out is still available, and in low earth orbit-travel they have some 20 years of added experience. Spacesuits, long-time stay in 'space' etc. etc.
The technology used to bring a spacecraft to the moon is still available, the russians still use their 43 year old rockettechnology to bring the Sojuz in orbit. In fact it is so simple they don't even have a countdown. Compare that to the 'mission control' images Nasa fed the media.
Its been disputed. Have you never heard of the shuttle program? We go into space all the time! The Internatinal space station? You can see that with the naked eye. If there is no space travel, what was the Columbia disaster? That blast woke me up. There was good chace that I would find a piece of it on my way to school. To say we have never been to space is an insult to those who have lost their lives to go there.  |
18th April 2004, 03:55 AM
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Reps: 19,508,763,071,063,104 (power: 19,508,763,071,080) | | Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy board has quite a bit on the truely terrible program that FOX did on the supposed moon hoax. I watched as much of that show as I could stand but the science was soooo bad it was painful to watch. http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
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