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Old 21st March 2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SuzQ
I got home last night & turned on the news. For the first time in a LOOOONG time, I was just so disgusted with humanity. I sat & cried. Unfortunately my 14-year-old son came around the corner & caught me crying and asked what was wrong. I just told him we needed to pray for humanity, period. (I felt bad that my son saw me so upset).

I turned off the news and PRAYED for the families of Jessica Lunsford & Terri Schiavo. I prayed for God to comfort them, and to give us all the picture of him welcoming two new "angels" into his realm (one already there & one apparently on her way).

I saw those beautiful pictures of happy, smiling Jessica, the past footage of her father PLEADING for her return....then changed channels and saw where Michael actually pulled out Terri's feeding tube, with videos showing her watching a "Happy Birthday" balloon float by, her mother kissing her & whispering in her ear, &Terri reacting with a gigantic smile, looking at her mother & blinking her eyes.

I prayed for everyone out there like them who may not have made national headlines, but is in emotional pain because of the suffering & MURDER of their innocent daughters & sons who've done NOTHING to deserve this inhumane treatment from such monsters. My comfort is that they are with the Lord & that His judgement on the ones who do these things will be swift & just.

One attorney last night even commented that Scott Petersen, a convicted cold-blooded murderer, has more rights on death row than Terri Schiavo, an innocent woman loved by her family.
I can understand that. I have been sitting in depression ever since Terri's tube has been removed. This all has really opened my mind to the cancer of the devaluing of human life that has slowly crept across this country.

I can hardly concentrate at this point on reading, my appetite has been reduced. I've been praying more than usual recently.

We must figure out what to do to reverse this, in general.
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Old 21st March 2005, 10:06 PM
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Matthew 25:33-4033 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Well that has nothing to do with my post, but nice quote anyway.
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I find beneath our discussion in this entire thread a common sadness. This is one of our nation's darkest hours. I hope we all remember to say our prayers tonight.
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Originally Posted by mamabear4
I find beneath our discussion in this entire thread a common sadness. This is one of our nation's darkest hours. I hope we all remember to say our prayers tonight.
This is tragic, but certainly not among the most 20, or even 50 most tragic events to happen within the last hundred years.

To me, it's tragic that a young woman had this heart attack, just as it is when any person is cut off in their prime. Even if she were to recover, she's already lost 15 years of her life, her family relations are in turmoil, and she'll never be the same person she was before.
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Originally Posted by Yojimbo
This is tragic, but certainly not among the most 20, or even 50 most tragic events to happen within the last hundred years.

To me, it's tragic that a young woman had this heart attack, just as it is when any person is cut off in their prime. Even if she were to recover, she's already lost 15 years of her life, her family relations are in turmoil, and she'll never be the same person she was before.
I think some of the sadness isn't just for Terri, but also for the glimpse of our estrangement from one another. Terri is the face on this issue, and the public debate has exposed just how deep is the divide in our society. You could say our "family relations" are in turmoil, and "we" will never be the same as before. Obviously, the changes have come from more than just this situation, but this week has just reminded us, driven us further apart.
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Old 22nd March 2005, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by elizabethevangeline
I think some of the sadness isn't just for Terri, but also for the glimpse of our estrangement from one another. Terri is the face on this issue, and the public debate has exposed just how deep is the divide in our society. You could say our "family relations" are in turmoil, and "we" will never be the same as before. Obviously, the changes have come from more than just this situation, but this week has just reminded us, driven us further apart.
No...I disagree again. I would say the vast majority of differences in this debate is caused by disagreement with the facts. This case, IMO, does NOT show that there are a lot of Americans who are in favor of killing handicapped persons, despite the surveys showing that the majority of Americans are in favor of removing Terri's tube. They believe this because, from the facts they know, they think Terri is in an irrecoverable PVS state and that she wished to not be kept alive in such a state.

The people who want Terri alive do not necessarily have stronger beliefs in the sanctity of life, or want to have more restrictions on the right to die...they believe what they d because they believe that there isn't enough evidence showing Terri wanted to die, or that she's actually in a PVS.

These are disagreements over FACTS, not of a cultural divide. The Schiavo case goes to show that mistruths and misunderstandings can spread rampant in a hot topic like this like fire through a deadwood forest.
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Old 22nd March 2005, 07:38 AM
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This sound familiar?

"...And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold..."
(Matthew 24: 6-12)


While certainly some are surprised this is happening and has been happening with increasing intensity, I will point out Jesus did say near the end of His earthly ministry what would happen at the end of the world be like. And, unfortunately, it is said it will get worse before Christ's return. What's interesting is He interweaves the long-term prophecy of the end of the world to the short-term prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem as well, warning: "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter" (v. 24a) in terms of; don't wait too long before you no longer have a choice but to be an open target.

God honers and sanctifies life. So much so that "God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
(Romans 5:8) and "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4: 9-10) which follows with: "Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another." (v. 11)

I'm distraught over recent events as well. While it's grostestque and disgusting what Mr, Schiavo, his main attorney who also happens to be a chief member within the pro-euthanasia movement (his book can be locacted at amazon.con. Just type in "George Felos") are doing, it should be rememembered they're offered the same forgivenessness by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus loved them to take on their sins on His innocent shoulders when He went to calvary just as He did everyone else's.

I admit, as a Christian I have to keep reminding myself of that when I watch or read or hear news of innocent parties who are outright misused and abused...or worse by bullies who simply think they can get away with their actions. It's certainly not easy.

Especially when the news services broadcast alot of the polls that many Americans actually have a low view of life. And not just here. But in Europe and elsewhere.

At this writing, I just found out the federal judge in Tampa wouldn't reinsert the feeding tube. I'm not sure what happens next. And I have no idea why Theresa Shindler-Schivio wouldn't be able to be taken into a coutroom for a federal judge to see and hear her for himself.

All I know is whatever happens, God's already there.
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