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Old 14th April 2004, 11:16 AM
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Observation about having children

Having read a few threads about BC and having children and reactions from families, I have come to a disturbing realization.

Within the span of one generation bringing new life into this world has become so devalued that it has impacted the culture greatly. When I grew up if a couple was married for any length of time and had no children they would be questioned by family and friends about "When are you going to have children". In the span of 30 years that question has almost completely reversed itself. "Why would you ever want to have more the two children? Are you crazy?"

It saddens me to see how children are percived as an additional burden instead of a great blessing to a family. The only thing better then being part of bring life into this world is to be part of bringing that life to Christ to live with Him forever.

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Old 14th April 2004, 11:24 AM
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yes the secular world changes greatly, but slowly, so no one notices.
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People think I am absolutely crazy. And just shake their heads when I tell them I woulnd't mind another.

Don't ya'll think I need another baby ? The wimmin are outnumbered in my house right now!
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From the responses I have goten from my thread in the PRE forum, It sounds like Protestants have pretty much surrendered the moral highground on this issue. I can only think that Protestant Pastors are scared to touch this issue out of fear of posible retribution from their congragation.

It shouldn't be suprising that some denomination are becoming more accepting of abortion.
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Old 14th April 2004, 12:05 PM
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Has anyone noticed that the birthrates in the supposed "enlightened democracies" of the Western world has decreased significantly? Most countries are barely at or below replacement level birthrates.
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Could not agree more Met. It truly is sad and what gets me is the influence the culture of death really has on us all to some degree or another. It really is strong, it gets to me even sometimes and then I have to bring myself back to reality, knowing that I am not the one who is crazy.
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Originally Posted by Patristic
Has anyone noticed that the birthrates in the supposed "enlightened democracies" of the Western world has decreased significantly? Most countries are barely at or below replacement level birthrates.
That's because society has begun to value material goods, wealth and career over children.

None of those can give your life meaning and happiness like children though, quite sad.
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I agree. Unfortunately, our children in public schools are not being taught very good morals, either. I taught my children, and let them know in no uncertain terms what I expected of them. I also refuse to let the school teach my grandchildren anything about sex-ed. Luckily their parents are behind me on this. I also have foster children, but unfortunately the state wants these girls on bc pills and will allow them all the sex ed classes in school...I have offered to talk with the girls & keep them out of the classes, but they refuse to let me!

Anyway, many of these children do not understand the value of life.

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Old 14th April 2004, 03:14 PM
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Shannon, what's the book of St. John Vianney called and who is the author..i feel so drawn to reading about his life after a conversation i had with the priest about him...

Met...i agree with your observations.

..the world is a very materialistic place to be...purchasing a new home or car is higher up on the priority list of some people than having children...

on the other hand...it is difficult at times, to live in the world and not be of the world...my own children have found little lasting pleasure in the hi-tech world of dispensible leisure and yet even so, feel the pull towards it. Materialism seeps into almost every aspect of their daily lives.

The responsibility of raising children is immense..and you only get one shot at it...i fail all too frequently...i want us to be the Waltons, but we are more llike the Osbournes.
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