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14th April 2004, 11:16 AM
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| | Join Date: 26th June 2003
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Reps: 14,171 (power: 27) | | | Observation about having children Having read a few threads about BC and having children and reactions from families, I have come to a disturbing realization.
Within the span of one generation bringing new life into this world has become so devalued that it has impacted the culture greatly. When I grew up if a couple was married for any length of time and had no children they would be questioned by family and friends about "When are you going to have children". In the span of 30 years that question has almost completely reversed itself. "Why would you ever want to have more the two children? Are you crazy?"
It saddens me to see how children are percived as an additional burden instead of a great blessing to a family. The only thing better then being part of bring life into this world is to be part of bringing that life to Christ to live with Him forever.
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14th April 2004, 11:24 AM
|  | Swords to plowshares 34 
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14th April 2004, 11:33 AM
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Don't ya'll think I need another baby ?  The wimmin are outnumbered in my house right now!
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| | Join Date: 3rd September 2003 Location: Ocala, FL
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Reps: 447 (power: 0) | | | From the responses I have goten from my thread in the PRE forum, It sounds like Protestants have pretty much surrendered the moral highground on this issue. I can only think that Protestant Pastors are scared to touch this issue out of fear of posible retribution from their congragation.
It shouldn't be suprising that some denomination are becoming more accepting of abortion.
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14th April 2004, 12:05 PM
|  | Koine addict 33  | | Join Date: 10th July 2003 Location: Northeast
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14th April 2004, 02:07 PM
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Reps: 36,708 (power: 74) | | | Could not agree more Met. It truly is sad and what gets me is the influence the culture of death really has on us all to some degree or another. It really is strong, it gets to me even sometimes and then I have to bring myself back to reality, knowing that I am not the one who is crazy.
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14th April 2004, 02:16 PM
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| | Join Date: 16th November 2002
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Reps: 330,985,575,026,890 (power: 330,985,575,051) | | Originally Posted by Patristic Has anyone noticed that the birthrates in the supposed "enlightened democracies" of the Western world has decreased significantly? Most countries are barely at or below replacement level birthrates.
That's because society has begun to value material goods, wealth and career over children.
None of those can give your life meaning and happiness like children though, quite sad. | 
14th April 2004, 02:58 PM
|  | To Jesus through Mary 56  | | Join Date: 26th January 2004 Location: At Home
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Reps: 3,795,491,510,388 (power: 3,795,491,560) | | | I agree. Unfortunately, our children in public schools are not being taught very good morals, either. I taught my children, and let them know in no uncertain terms what I expected of them. I also refuse to let the school teach my grandchildren anything about sex-ed. Luckily their parents are behind me on this. I also have foster children, but unfortunately the state wants these girls on bc pills and will allow them all the sex ed classes in school...I have offered to talk with the girls & keep them out of the classes, but they refuse to let me!
Anyway, many of these children do not understand the value of life.
Love-n-Blessings
dee
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Cancer is unbelievably hard on us ladies, but it must be 200 times harder on husbands/wives, partners, boy/girlfriends, parents and children as they witness us ladies fight against cancer. May our Dear Lord give them the strength, peace, bravery, grace, mercy and the light (understanding) as they watch our continuous fight? Help them have an easier time to remain on our sidelines and be strong enough to
Stand by us consistently, as we ladies need to rely on their love.
Please God, try to cease their guilt "what can I do? I feel so helpless for them" because that can be an unhealthy consumption of their mind & soul. Cancer or not, we still adore them. Cancer just happened & we can't turn back time, but gently lead our loved ones get closer us throughout our difficult ordeal. In the name of our Father, & Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen | 
14th April 2004, 03:14 PM
|  | I swallowed a bug 38 
| | Join Date: 2nd February 2004
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Reps: 948,707,733,344 (power: 948,707,759) | | | I just read a little book today about St. John Vianney and I was struck by how it would be so hard for me to live like he did-- but for him it was perfectly natural (not that it wasn't penitential- but for me it would really be severe!). I was thinking how soft my living is- how used to and unwilling I am to give up my creature comforts.... and how difficult it is to radically reject the world and the world's values when we are so immersed in them. With children- there is the incultration of all of the baby "stuff"- which is all aimed at children with two or under families---even the so called 'necessitites'- disposable diapres and artificial milk are expensive!! (which is why we use neither!) I was really moved reading this book how much more I must relinquish to trudge further down the road to sanctity.... as for children- each pregnancy and birth is penance- and perfects us- and let's face it perfection hurts! People want no pain, no sadness, no discomfort at all in their lives-- and rather than fully embrace the Cross, which is the only way to face these things and see them through the eyes of joy--- we medicate, and satiate, and distract- hoping someday- the pain will go away.....
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14th April 2004, 04:48 PM
|  | Freaked out, insecure, neurotic and Emotional 44 
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Reps: 491,022,733 (power: 491,044) | | | Shannon, what's the book of St. John Vianney called and who is the author..i feel so drawn to reading about his life after a conversation i had with the priest about him...
Met...i agree with your observations.
..the world is a very materialistic place to be...purchasing a new home or car is higher up on the priority list of some people than having children...
on the other hand...it is difficult at times, to live in the world and not be of the world...my own children have found little lasting pleasure in the hi-tech world of dispensible leisure and yet even so, feel the pull towards it. Materialism seeps into almost every aspect of their daily lives.
The responsibility of raising children is immense..and you only get one shot at it...i fail all too frequently...i want us to be the Waltons, but we are more llike the Osbournes.
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