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Old 12th August 2005, 01:18 AM
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K, well, i'm not the christian doctrinal expert, but I do admit that I did make some crass statements in the essay. Some people who are having serious considerations about religion and changing religion and all that would consider what i wrote as offensive.. I'm sorry if my essay made you feel that way, because of what might be going on in your life surrounding religion.. But I do admit I'm not "Holier than thou art" and I was just trying to bring a simpler message to what many consider a complex web of Lies, hypocrisy and other things.. What I should tell people is to read the gospels and all the other new testament stuff about Jesus, and then dicide what to do according to just what is in there.. but it takes about 1-2 hours to read a full gospel and the new testament in its entirety would take 2 full days of reading.. The problem is that most people don't have that spare time to read all that stuff that they really don't care much about (usually) anyways.
The whole purpose of my essay was to bring people knowledge that would usually take days of reading. I didn't mean people to ask all these questions regarding doctrine and stuff.. all i meant was to paraphrase all the basic christian stuff..
If you really want to know what the definition of a christian is, check out the Nicean creed (or something like that) in the forums somewhere.
Well, I read about one guy asking about muderers getting forgiven and the like.
First, God makes the rules, not you, and not me, and not the pastor of my church.
Second, God made everything, including humans (obviously). Humans are his favorite creation (not using favorite as in favoritism, but as in I can't think of a better word) and is like your favorite model downstairs that you spent months on, painting and gluing every of the 5,000 peices on it to make a 3 foot replica of a 1940 battleship (example in here, in case u didn't catch on). If I went and smashed your model with a bat and crushed it to irrepairable pieces, you;d probably punch my head clean off, but that would be nothing to say about your irraparable model. Anyways, back to God, he made humans, an "evoluionary occurence" that have so complex of systems in the body that it would be impossible for any mortal to even dream of. God made humans "in His image" not his image as in face, but as in emotional aspects, and God loves every human, unconditionally.
Third, Because of that love, he sent Jesus to live a perfect life and die in place of sinners. And if sinners feel sincerely guilty and confess that they did wrong, and that they need God's help, God will save them.

God makes up his own rules, and only God knows what everybody has inside of them, and what they think, and if they really are sorry for what they did.. but remember one of my favorite verse in the bible: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" Rom 3:23. This means that everyone has sinned, no matter how, they have all sinned, and "The penalty of sin is death"(no matter the sin)"but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ" Rom 6:23. So, yes, if the guy that killed his pregnant wife actually thought that he would be forgiven, and lost his pride and really asked forgiveness, he would be in heaven with the saints. Jesus was on the cross wiht a murderer, the murderer asked for forgiveness and Jesus assured him that he would go to heaven. Jesus also forgave an adulteress, and many other countless sinners, and that was only while he was on earth. Well, I think My 2 centa has been spilled, and my fingers now officially have biceps.. C'yall, i'm finishing my summer vacation away from technology, so, if any christians out there can answer questions people post, i'd be grateful.. thanks
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Can you help me please????? This is my essay topic:

Some people say that religious beliefs can be neither justified nor refuted by reason. However, while sometimes this claim is used as a reason for rejecting religious beliefs, at other times it is used to conclude that these beliefs are established by faith. To what extent is faith a legitimate basis for knowledge claims, in religion and different Areas of Knowledge? - I am not a believer, I do not know what to write and I have big problems with langugae because I am not a native English speaker. I just need some advice. Thank you! E.
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Hello Efik

Many people says that religious beliefs can be neither justified or be reason out of it, and that is true. For me since I am a Christian since I was a little kid, it is true that many people says the above, but you have to examine the truth, and for me the real truth of God is from His own word which is the bible, but sometimes many religion know's the bible inside out and still not wanting to belief it, sometime the way that the wanted to hear is the twisted version of it. so my hope to you is that, if you are willing to spend time on reading the bible really carefully, my suggestion is read Jesus Life from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. this four book may look different, but it is the same message in it. the message is that you will need Him(Jesus Christ) whether you belive it or not, because there is only one way to be truly save from your self, which is to belive in Him, but not Just in your lips but also in your mind and heart. which will bring up to faith, faith is not all extent to knowledge, because right now even the smartest person on earth, is not a smart person if he or she justified faith through knowledge. faith is how you trust something that you know it is the true thing and in this case, is that Jesus Christ is the only Name that is able to save you from a very painfull life (separation from God), only trust Him, give your life, your worry to Him, and ask forgiveness from Jesus Christ. Christian is not a religion but it is a faith in Christ. faith is beliving something that is true without seeing it, without doubt. right now even I am stil have alot of question but I know, with all of my heart that all will be answered in time. time is all that matter, not your time but His time. don't worry about not knowing which is the knowledge that you need to know, just know this that you are save not from your work, because all the work that you do will fall short of the Glory of God, but you need to have faith that Jesus Christ is your only savior from sin. you will have trial and temptation to fall but don't you worry. Because all that you have to remember is that we all are brother and sister in Christ. and also you only need to call on His name and He will come rushing to help you in your most troublesome day. I am also not a native English speaker also, so do not be afraid to write down from your heart, because that is what most important. belive in your heart and speak with your mouth, and know with your mind that Jesus Christ is Savior of all and all will be revealed in His time. I am sorry that the reply is long, but I hope that it will help you to understand. I will be praying for you and I am happy that you are asking question. please always be patient and stay joyfull and watch very carefully and you will see which is the truth and which is not. In Him, Jesus Christ. May God Bless you always, if you have any further question you could just post more or you could send me an email.

Thank you

one thing that I have always kept in my mind and heart is from Psalm 23, it has been a good help for me in my troublesome day, because it is His promise to me and to you also, which stated

"The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters.
3 He restores my soul.
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies;
you anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life,
and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord
forever"
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Thanks a lot for your help, in case you gave me your email address, I would send you my essay!
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Originally Posted by BloodandHonor
Defining stealing, killing, lying as absolutes and declaring them as 'bad' already stopped me from reading through this.

Yes,I would like for you to clarify that statement.

Incidentally,all those will get you into all kinds of secular trouble!
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Old 17th September 2005, 09:12 PM
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<subscribe> I just want to watch this thread to learn more about Christianity
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<subscribe> I just want to watch this thread to learn more about Christianity
The best way to start is reading the Bible. Although I don't really know where to begin reading. My suggestion: I think you should start from John.
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Old 17th September 2005, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Firecube2426
The best way to start is reading the Bible. Although I don't really know where to begin reading. My suggestion: I think you should start from John.
Sounds fair. I'll take note of that.
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Old 18th September 2005, 01:58 AM
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To Femto..

For Femto and all others that might not know alot about christianity: Usually reading the bible is the best way to find out about christianity. For those who don't like the thought of reading through all the thee's and thou's, and funnily put together sentences, there are two bible's i would reccomend, the new living translation, and the message, the new living translation is a change in basic grammar and vocabulary, to make it easier for most people, and the message (my number one fave) is a direct paraphrase from original greek and hebrew texts. Remember, (semi-quoting from the introduction in the Message Bible) "[the bible wasn't originally made in the language of upper-classes, but in the language of commoners, the ones that didn't know all the fancy words that the higher-ups used]" also the most important point, perhaps, the bible, in every christian translation has retained the same message, though vocabulary, and grammar, and even language have changed.. (note that the reason i say christian is that the jehovah's witnesses have changed the bible to suit their own motives, and have changed the message completely, there are also some other less known factions that have done the same)

Btw, if you want a computer bible, there are many sites, but my fave so far, tho i haven't been for a while is www.e-sword.com it had free downloads of diffrrent translations of the bible. But even better, just stop by your local bookstore. It's an investment that you will never regret!

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