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Old 12th April 2004, 12:33 AM
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Why there will never be a cure for cancer?

Now I know this thread will cause alot of debate and arguement before it is over with. But it was something someone in the medical field told me and it makes alot of sense. But it also sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Why there will never be a cure for cancer.

Before I start ask yourself these questions:
1) As long as they have been researching this, why have they only been able to find a treatment that has a 30% or less sucess rate?
2) Ever watch the news and here of a medical break through that is later recanted or never mentioned again? What up with that?
3) Medical science will say that a certain something, vitimin or food, helps defend the body of cancer cells, only to deny it 6 months later, why?
4) Case and Point: There was a story on the local news, that someone diagnosed with lung cancer was given only weeks to live. In fact it was so bad, that they even reccommended no type of treatment. The guys preacher told him of someone he knew that had come up with a cure for cancer. It was some type of brew made from pine tree bark and certain tree leaves. It was called "God's blessing tea". The only thing was, it cost about $50 bucks a gallon and he would have to drink 3-4 gallons a week, if not more. So all his family pitch in to help him with this expense.
At the time of starting to take the stuff, he was already starting to spit up blood. Which was also the reason he was taken to the hospital in the first place. So He got the stuff and started to drink it. 2 months later he was still alive. So he decided to make an appointment with his doctor. he said the doctor almost turned as white as a ghost when he saw him doing so well. He said: You should be in the grave. The guy told him what he was doing and his doctor directed him to the cancer research center. He said: If this stuff's working, they need to know about it. So he went. They did a full workup on him and confirmed that he had lung cancer. It was now going into 6 months and he was supposed to be dead 4 months ago.
On the news ( and I saw this) they were showing what his lungs looked like before and after the treatment with this brew. Before, his lungs were 70-75% ate up with cancer. After, there was only a golfball size tumor left and the rest of the lung was healthy. This was all shown from the cancer research center by a doctor there.
Several websites went up talking about the cancer cure, and some were showing where it could be obtained. I have been to the sites. Even some news channels had rerun what the local channel here where I live ran. So the word got out.
It took about three months, but any mention anywhere on the web was gone. It used to be you could enter the words: God's blessing tea in any search engine and get about ten hits, now none. No explanation, nothing. The local channel here won't even talk about it and they reported it. Why?

Well lets look into it for a second.
Currently, cancer and aids are the 2 biggest money makers in the medical field. But don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the medical field. But as we go, you'll see who to point a finger at.
Currently there are 100 of millions of dollars of cancer reseach done through donations etc...
There are special schooling for people to work in this field. You have the school, all it's employees, and it's students who all pay taxes.
Then you have hospitals. Just about every hospital has a cancer ward. Special people who run it. Doctors trained to treat it. And special equipment to treat it. All of this taxes are collected on,
Then we have the companies who make the spacial radiation equipment. Equipment only good for treating this. The equipment itself costing millions of dollars. Then we have the employees of that company. Who all pay taxes also. Each sell has taxes.
Then there's the drug companies. Those who specialize in cancer drug only. Their research, their emloyees, and the sell of their products. Taxes collected on all of it.
Then there's the insurance companies. Selling you cancer insurance, just in case you get it. All of it's employees and the sell of their service, taxes are collected on.
Then there the person with cancer. And all of the stuff that person and the family goes through. The expense etc...

Since I traced it all to money. Now how much would be lost if a cure was found? How many jobs gone? How much cancer equipment would now be useless? How much drugs would become obsolete? How many hospitals would close? etc... etc....
And since cancer employs alot of bussiness that are in the stock market, how would a cure affect that? It's not really stable, what do you think would happen? And the list goes on and on. There's stuff not even mentioned or even thought of that a cure would affect.
So would it cost more for a cure or less to treat it?
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Cancer is a discriptor for many types of illnesses, so a "cure" for one may not do anything for another. Plus, what is the 30% for? Is it for all cancers? Breast cancer survival with treatment is 75-86%.

Regarding the tea, how obscure of a name was it before? Perhaps it changed it's name.
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This is not really debatable as far as answers are evidence goes. I put this here as an information type deal. I don't have really much more to say than what's already said. Just telling you all what I know.
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Currently, cancer and aids are the 2 biggest money makers in the medical field. But don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the medical field. But as we go, you'll see who to point a finger at.
I doubt that, i'd guess heart disease would easily outdo those two

Since I traced it all to money. Now how much would be lost if a cure was found? How many jobs gone? How much cancer equipment would now be useless? How much drugs would become obsolete? How many hospitals would close? etc... etc....
And since cancer employs alot of bussiness that are in the stock market, how would a cure affect that? It's not really stable, what do you think would happen? And the list goes on and on. There's stuff not even mentioned or even thought of that a cure would affect.
So would it cost more for a cure or less to treat it?

the reason there's no cure is because its clearly one of the most difficult diseases to treat

-the target for the drugs are your own cells (very very difficult to treat cancer cells ONLY, when they're very much like a whole bunch of other cells you want to keep alive)

-cancer can be caused by any number of mutations in any number of different cells, meaning that various different cancers have different causes and need to be treated differently, and that even the same sorts of cancers may have different genetic defects in different people

theres no reason to read conspiracy into it, pharmaceutical companies would absolutely love to develope a "cure" for cancer, because it would probably render their competitors cancer treatments obsolete. The reason they haven't is because its the most difficult sort of disease to attack
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We cannot treat HIV because the virus mutates continually, and there are probably reasons why we cannot treat cancer, which I'm sure a knowledgable person could tell you about (I'm guessing because the cell division is ridiculously rapid? I dunno). To put some deep philosophical societal paranoid slant on it is something we can apply Ockham's razor to.

There may not be a cure ever for HIV/AIDS or cancer because they're too difficult to combat.
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Originally Posted by monkenstick
I doubt that, i'd guess heart disease would easily outdo those two


the reason there's no cure is because its clearly one of the most difficult diseases to treat

-the target for the drugs are your own cells (very very difficult to treat cancer cells ONLY, when they're very much like a whole bunch of other cells you want to keep alive)

-cancer can be caused by any number of mutations in any number of different cells, meaning that various different cancers have different causes and need to be treated differently, and that even the same sorts of cancers may have different genetic defects in different people

theres no reason to read conspiracy into it, pharmaceutical companies would absolutely love to develope a "cure" for cancer, because it would probably render their competitors cancer treatments obsolete. The reason they haven't is because its the most difficult sort of disease to attack
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Yep, and that's their excuse. But how about the clinic in mexico that turns out cured cancer patience? All using a special fast and diet. Making the body attack the cancer cells. If it's so hard to cure or treat, why is not the medical field looking into that? A cure that no one makes money off of? Na. Never happen.

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Yep, and that's their excuse.
No, it's a legitimate reason.

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But how about the clinic in mexico that turns out cured cancer patience? All using a special fast and diet.
Source? Comeon... what is this...
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Yep, and that's there excuse.
what, that its damn hard? sounds like a good excuse to me.

But how about the clinic in mexico that turns out cured cancer patience? All using a special fast and diet.
how does a special diet suddenly make an immune system that has no response to human cells suddenly start having one? sounds like BS to me

If it's so hard to cure or treat, why is not the medical field looking into that?
the special diet thing you mean? perhaps because its so implausible

A cure that no one makes money off of? Na. Never happen.
you haven't shown that its a cure, and you haven't shown that no one makes money off it
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What are most cancer cells made mostly of? Hint: When they take a blood test, what are they looking for?
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