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There is a cure - Jesus Christ
I agree, but not many here would believe that.

Jesus is the answer.
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Originally Posted by ikester7579
I agree, but not many here would believe that.

Jesus is the answer.
There might be more if we told them
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The cure will never be found as long as the profit is in treatment, remember, the last major disease cured was polio.
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Here's the link to what is looked for when they take blood and look for cancer. The fast and diet makes the body use up these type of proteins and thus the cells that are producing the extra amount. But that's to easy so it's probably not true, because who would believe me anyway? http://www.infoaging.org/d-breast-16-r-predict2.html
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I think there is a strategic point which is misunderstood here.

Cancer cure rates depend mainly upon the stage at which the disease first presents to a doctor. So some cancers, for example, have a 95% 5-year survival if they present early,and a 5% 5-year survival if they present late.

The system isn't important (unless you are in a medical profession) but basically cancer staging measures how far the cancer has spread by the time it presents.

So what is ideally needed is not a better CURE, but a more effective method of picking up cancers before they spread.
Now, in breast, cervical, and some other cancers, there are national screening programs. Also, people with a strong family history of cetain cancers are routinely offered screening so that early treatment can be started if necesary.

The major problem with a screening problem, however, is that its cost will often outweigh its benefit.
And of course, there are patients who suspect they have a cancer, but will delay presenting ot a doctor because of denial, fear, embarrassment, lots of reasons.

Sadly, this is not a straightforward issue.
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fyi

The fast thing is probably the calorie restriction diet. Calorie restriction diets put the body into "repair mode." There are studies on it right now in regards to lifespan and cancer.

Doctors do study diet, not just cures that involve drugs, for example, ketogenic diets for epileptics.

Oh, cancer survival rates:
http://seer.cancer.gov/publications/...k/rates28.html
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I thought that targeted radiation therapy provided a near 100% sucess rate in cancer cures. Unfortunately it usually killed the patient.
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I thought that targeted radiation therapy provided a near 100% sucess rate in cancer cures. Unfortunately it usually killed the patient.
Pesky side effects...
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Originally Posted by ikester7579
Now I know this thread will cause alot of debate and arguement before it is over with. But it was something someone in the medical field told me and it makes alot of sense. But it also sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Why there will never be a cure for cancer.

Before I start ask yourself these questions:
1) As long as they have been researching this, why have they only been able to find a treatment that has a 30% or less sucess rate?
2) Ever watch the news and here of a medical break through that is later recanted or never mentioned again? What up with that?
3) Medical science will say that a certain something, vitimin or food, helps defend the body of cancer cells, only to deny it 6 months later, why?
4) Case and Point: There was a story on the local news, that someone diagnosed with lung cancer was given only weeks to live. In fact it was so bad, that they even reccommended no type of treatment. The guys preacher told him of someone he knew that had come up with a cure for cancer. It was some type of brew made from pine tree bark and certain tree leaves. It was called "God's blessing tea". The only thing was, it cost about $50 bucks a gallon and he would have to drink 3-4 gallons a week, if not more. So all his family pitch in to help him with this expense.
At the time of starting to take the stuff, he was already starting to spit up blood. Which was also the reason he was taken to the hospital in the first place. So He got the stuff and started to drink it. 2 months later he was still alive. So he decided to make an appointment with his doctor. he said the doctor almost turned as white as a ghost when he saw him doing so well. He said: You should be in the grave. The guy told him what he was doing and his doctor directed him to the cancer research center. He said: If this stuff's working, they need to know about it. So he went. They did a full workup on him and confirmed that he had lung cancer. It was now going into 6 months and he was supposed to be dead 4 months ago.
On the news ( and I saw this) they were showing what his lungs looked like before and after the treatment with this brew. Before, his lungs were 70-75% ate up with cancer. After, there was only a golfball size tumor left and the rest of the lung was healthy. This was all shown from the cancer research center by a doctor there.
Several websites went up talking about the cancer cure, and some were showing where it could be obtained. I have been to the sites. Even some news channels had rerun what the local channel here where I live ran. So the word got out.
It took about three months, but any mention anywhere on the web was gone. It used to be you could enter the words: God's blessing tea in any search engine and get about ten hits, now none. No explanation, nothing. The local channel here won't even talk about it and they reported it. Why?

Well lets look into it for a second.
Currently, cancer and aids are the 2 biggest money makers in the medical field. But don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the medical field. But as we go, you'll see who to point a finger at.
Currently there are 100 of millions of dollars of cancer reseach done through donations etc...
There are special schooling for people to work in this field. You have the school, all it's employees, and it's students who all pay taxes.
Then you have hospitals. Just about every hospital has a cancer ward. Special people who run it. Doctors trained to treat it. And special equipment to treat it. All of this taxes are collected on,
Then we have the companies who make the spacial radiation equipment. Equipment only good for treating this. The equipment itself costing millions of dollars. Then we have the employees of that company. Who all pay taxes also. Each sell has taxes.
Then there's the drug companies. Those who specialize in cancer drug only. Their research, their emloyees, and the sell of their products. Taxes collected on all of it.
Then there's the insurance companies. Selling you cancer insurance, just in case you get it. All of it's employees and the sell of their service, taxes are collected on.
Then there the person with cancer. And all of the stuff that person and the family goes through. The expense etc...

Since I traced it all to money. Now how much would be lost if a cure was found? How many jobs gone? How much cancer equipment would now be useless? How much drugs would become obsolete? How many hospitals would close? etc... etc....
And since cancer employs alot of bussiness that are in the stock market, how would a cure affect that? It's not really stable, what do you think would happen? And the list goes on and on. There's stuff not even mentioned or even thought of that a cure would affect.
So would it cost more for a cure or less to treat it?
Well, that's one explanation that fits the facts. The other explanation that fits the facts is simply that they don't know much about cancer. Which is more likely?

If your mother grounds you for something you didn't do, one explanation is that she and all other people involved are conspiring to slowly but surely drive you to suicide. The other explanation that fits the facts is that she was simply mistaken about your guilt. Which is more likely?

You can find conspiracies anywhere. Either our world is so chock-full of conspiracies that every human being is in on at least 50 individual and highly secret conspiracies (which would make you one of the very, very few astounding exceptions), or conspiracies are not the best default explanation. Personally, I'd say the latter is true.
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