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Old 26th December 2004, 05:50 AM
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Does God work His plan through non-believers as well

To what extent do you believe that God works through non-believers to fulfill His plan for the world?

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Old 26th December 2004, 08:52 AM
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I believe God's plan is absolutely comprehensive. No one is outside of His sovereign reign whether they know it or not...whether they admit it or not...whether they submit to it or not.

Proverbs 16:4, The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
God sets up and uses the government for His purpose...even evil governments. Romans 13 tells us to be submissive and obedient to the gov't. This was said during the time of the pagan Roman gov't.

In the OT, God used wicked, pagan nations to bring judgment on Israel by invading them and taking them captive. Those pagan people did not know they were being used by God, they thought they were acting on their own desires and impulses.

I believe that is just as true today. All of us, believers and unbelievers, go about living our lives according to our own decisions and desires, but God is in control of the Plan and Purpose. He will accomplish His sovereign will through it all whether we bow down or not.

Proverbs 16:1,2, The preparations of the heart belong to man, But the answer of the tongue is from the LORD. All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the spirits.
Proverbs 16:33, The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.
Also, read Psalm 139. This is an excellent Psalm regarding the absolute Sovereignty of our Great and Wonderful God!

I am not saying that God causes all, I am saying He uses all in the accomplishment of His plan. God is not the author of evil; therefore, we cannot assign causation to Him in regard to sin. But He allows such and uses it to work all things together according to His Plan.

This is true in a very specific way for believers as seen in Romans 8:28...

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
For His children all things work together for good (not all things are good, but all things work together for good). That's not true for the unbeliever...all things will work together, but not for their good (Prov. 16:4). But all things will always work together for His glory in the end.


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Old 26th December 2004, 09:38 AM
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Mt 21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
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Everywhere throughout the Bible we see example after example of the Lord using non believing nations, governments and people to His purpose. So, yes I believe He does use even the lost and ungodly for His purpose.

IE: Isreal's slavery in Egypt, banishement in Babylon, the ammonites etc.

Hope this answers...
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Originally Posted by daveleau
To what extent do you believe that God works through non-believers to fulfill His plan for the world?

God bless,
Dave
Sure he does! Everytime I do something that isn't "Christ-like" My Dad likes to remind me that I am a Christian.
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Originally Posted by daveleau
To what extent do you believe that God works through non-believers to fulfill His plan for the world?

God bless,
Dave
Good Day, Daveleau

Yes, God uses all of his creation to bring his plan and purposes to pass.

Peace to u,

Bill
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