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5th December 2004, 11:49 PM
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WesWoodell directed me to start a new thread in which Orthodoxy vs RM could be discussed.
Ok Wes, what is heretical about Orthodoxy?
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6th December 2004, 02:19 AM
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Personally, the biggest problem I have with the Catholic Church is the belief in papal infallibility.
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, papal infallibility refers to the Catholic belief that the pope's words in regards to spirituality or Christianity are infallible. I've also spoken with many Catholics who believe the Bible is not infallible and full of errors, but the teachings and doctrines of the "Church" are perfect and without error.
In other words, the teachings of the "Church" take priority over the Word of God - even if those teachings bend or even contradict the Word of God.
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6th December 2004, 02:30 AM
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Reps: 2,414 (power: 12) | | Originally Posted by WesWoodell Hmmm ... let's see.
Personally, the biggest problem I have with the Catholic Church is the belief in papal infallibility.
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, papal infallibility refers to the Catholic belief that the pope's words in regards to spirituality or Christianity are infallible. I've also spoken with many Catholics who believe the Bible is not infallible and full of errors, but the teachings and doctrines of the "Church" are perfect and without error.
In other words, the teachings of the "Church" take priority over the Word of God - even if those teachings bend or even contradict the Word of God.
Urm... What does Papal Infallability have to do with Eastern Orthodox doctrine?
On another note, the description above about Papal Infallability is incorrect.
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Reps: 96,327,666 (power: 96,338) | | | Kripost: How does the Eastern Orthodox church differ from the churches of the RM in respect to the mode and reason for baptism, the frequency and elements of the Lord's Supper, and the autonomy and structure of government of the local congregation?
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6th December 2004, 12:19 PM
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Reps: 10,809,390,223 (power: 10,809,399) | | Originally Posted by Kripost Urm... What does Papal Infallability have to do with Eastern Orthodox doctrine?
On another note, the description above about Papal Infallability is incorrect.
I'm sorry, but what is the difference?
And what is your understanding of Papil Infallibility?
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6th December 2004, 02:49 PM
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Reps: 37,947,221,852,106,432 (power: 37,947,221,852,117) | | Wes, part of the problem with your reasoning is that EO doesn't have a pope.  They do have bishops, and I believe the Most Reverend is the "first among equals," right Bizzy?
Actually, Bizzle, there are several things that are in common between RM and EO. However, the big differences are communion of saints, communion/Eucharist, and the hierarchy in general (although EO churches are autonomous, their structure is very different).
For example, Main Street Church of Christ in Anywhere, USA hierarchy might look like this:
Elders (a group of men in the congregation shepherding the church)
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Deacons (typically a group of men who do work in the church- usually men who have younger children, as those with older believing children become elders )
The Ministry team has input into the church, but the elders are usually the final authority.
Communion- Eucharist
RM does not teach transubstantiation- which I believe EO teaches, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong here.  Communion/the Lord's Supper represents Christ's body and blood.
Those are just some at the top of my head. 
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6th December 2004, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 26,327 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by WesWoodell And what is your understanding of Papil Infallibility?
We don't believe in it.
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6th December 2004, 03:45 PM
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Reps: 26,327 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Freedom&Light Wes, part of the problem with your reasoning is that EO doesn't have a pope. They do have bishops, and I believe the Most Reverend is the "first among equals," right Bizzy?
Actually, Bizzle, there are several things that are in common between RM and EO. However, the big differences are communion of saints, communion/Eucharist, and the hierarchy in general (although EO churches are autonomous, their structure is very different).
For example, Main Street Church of Christ in Anywhere, USA hierarchy might look like this:
Elders (a group of men in the congregation shepherding the church)
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Deacons (typically a group of men who do work in the church- usually men who have younger children, as those with older believing children become elders )
The Ministry team has input into the church, but the elders are usually the final authority.
Communion- Eucharist
RM does not teach transubstantiation- which I believe EO teaches, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Communion/the Lord's Supper represents Christ's body and blood.
Those are just some at the top of my head.
Hierarchy is fairly similar. Our elders and deacons are married as well. We simply have a hierarchy beyond the local Church, not for control, but for unity (as after 2000 years we all agree on the same doctrine).
Transubstantiation? No. That the bread and wine are Jesus' body and blood in some mystical way? Yes.
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Hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thess. 2:15b
This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15b
These are the ones who split churches, thinking only of themselves. They do not have the Holy Spirit! Jude 1:19 |
6th December 2004, 03:46 PM
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Reps: 26,327 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by WesWoodell In other words, the teachings of the "Church" take priority over the Word of God - even if those teachings bend or even contradict the Word of God.
Our teachings do no such thing. Actually, if it weren't for us, you would have no Bible 
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Hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thess. 2:15b
This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15b
These are the ones who split churches, thinking only of themselves. They do not have the Holy Spirit! Jude 1:19 |
6th December 2004, 07:35 PM
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Reps: 10,809,390,223 (power: 10,809,399) | | Originally Posted by Bizzlebin Imperatoris We don't believe in it.
Hrmm ok.
I really thought the Orthodox Church was just another branch of the Catholics.
Could you outline the main points of your doctrine please?
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