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From the blessing to the curse

here's a bible study i did.....but like it needs reading through and like needs more to be added to it...can you help out? i need to add in the matt12:32 with whats in your heart you speak thingy......its a bit logn already too.
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From The Curse To The Blessing

Deuteronomy 28:15-68 lists the curse(s) of being under the law. For example wasting disease, fever, and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, and with blight and mildew, confusion, and disillusionment in everything you do, with the boils of Egypt and with tumours, scurvy, and the itch, from which you cannot be cured, madness, blindness, and panic, robbed continually. You will watch as your sons and daughters are taken away as slaves. Your heart will break as you long for them, but nothing you do will help....................etc.

But according to Galatians 3:13 we have been redeemed from the curse and we have the blessing PROMISED (not possibility) to Abraham -Deuteronomy 28:1-14.

Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree'"
So Jesus not only bore our sin, he bore the curse, by becoming a curse for us.
And according to Isaiah 53:4-6 and 1 Peter 2:24 says that we have been healed by Jesus' wounds (not possibility-PROMISE), Amen?

So next time the curse tries to come on you, you should tell it to shove its ugly head somewhere else. And the curse has just about every bad thing in it-disease, poverty, illness, terrorists etc.

We have the authority to do that-demons flee at the name of Jesus- Jesus name has so much anointing in it. Praise God

So I think it's very important for us to know the curse inside out, so we can use the authority Jesus has given us to cast it out of our lives. For it IS God's will that we LIVE IN BLESSING NOT THE CURSE!!!

But we're in trouble, if we're trying to this in disobedience-we must be obedience and doing God's will at the same time. for example if your in finical difficulty/poverty because you have been gambling/on drugs etc and you still are- and you try to cast out the poverty, then it's not really going to work-for example.

But what if your still APPEAR/LOOKS LIKE your still being under the curse and you've cast it out-well you have to have faith-as big as a mustard seed, mark 11:22-23, with no contamination of fear "do not doubt in your heart"-Jesus in Mark 11:23-no fear in PERFECT LOVE -1john 4:18 for in God's perfect love fear flees from the scene-psalm 27:1 and faith works by love 1 Corinthians 13:1-3. So we must being loving people round us for results to manifest into our lives.
For fear isn't always just being frightened, it destroys anything good, satans destroying tool (2TIM1:7) -for example it's being worried about what people might think about you cos your doing something to step out in faith-for example sowing money, sowing your career, stepping out in faith for healing supernaturally etc. Fear causes doubt and unbelief that God will manifest into your life.
But if we focus on and TRUST (completely and not worry-Proverbs 3:5-6) in God then we will be in perfect peace - Isaiah 26:3. For we are called to be in peace in our HEARTS Colossians 3:15.

Therefore-we must have faith (doesn't matter how much-so ignore anyone if they say "ohh your not healed because you don’t have ENOUGH faith" bah rubbish-Jesus said if you have faith as big as a MUSTARD SEED).
How do we get faith? When we are saved, God gives us his faith into our spirit. Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing the Word of God- so the more we read, meditate on, study, HEAR, understand, focus our whole lives on the word of God the more our faith begins to grow and be built up. Doesn't your spirit get all excited when u hear the word of God? Don’t u just love hearing and reading the Bible??
What is faith? Faith is Spiritual substance; it is the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) so we got two things here- "spiritual substance" which is basically like food for your spirit (as we are mad up as spirit soul and body-in that order 1Thessalonians 5:23)-just as food/natural substance is for our body-builds you up, u become mature, and you GROW STRONG! WOOHOO! Praise God!
Secondly we have faith as being the evidence of things not seen-In the greek/hebrew translation for this-it is known as FLESH, so not detected by the FLESH! And FLESH IS YOUR 5 SENSES- SIGHT HEARING TASTE TOUCH SMELL. So you can't detect faith in the natural-although it may manifest into your body for example. So faith is believing something before it happens in the natural-Faith is believing that you receive whatever you ask before it can be seen or felt with your senses. You do have evidence of faith, but it is in the Word of God, not the sought-after result.
You should have confidence in God and His Word to work for you and from James 2:17 we know that faith without works is dead. But overcoming faith doesn't come by just hearing someone else's testimony or teachings and then trying to copy them without the necessary time spent in getting to know God yourself and studying His Word.
So now let's go back to when Jesus talks about moving this mountain-in mark 11. Jesus says in verse 23 "...you can SAY...." so you must say something with your mouth-even after you've asked for it, you must CONFESS that the MOUNTIAN you have COMMANDED to move, has already moved-if you have done what Jesus says in this teaching- do not doubt verse 23, and forgive anyone you have a grudge against verse 25 and believe. So we must confess it with our mouth.
But if you're saying your already healed (e.g. as your mountain) before it is KNOWN OR SEEN OR DETECTED BY THE FLESH (remember faith is the evidence of things not seen) someone or satan etc may say to you- "ohhhh so you've taken up LYING now have you?? That’s a sin you shouldn't be doing that-your not gonna get healed at this rate if your in sin and lying." well you can say to that person back, "well no, I'M NOT LYING, MY BODY IS" (you are a spirit (made in the imagine of God) you have a soul and you have a body).
(But if you’re standing in faith for healing- remember you were healed around 2000years ago- not tomorrow, when Jesus was crucified you were healed THEN-1peter2:24)
Like Jesus JUST before he taught this, in Mark 11:14, Jesus cursed a fig tree by SAYING " May no one eat your fruit again." and in verse 21 Peter say "The fig tree you cursed is WITHERED!!" this shows the power of saying something and the words of our mouth. Of course Jesus is much more mature than us and knows much more about faith than us and has much more than us. But this is an example of when he curses the tree in faith and believes it will happen. People could have said to him but look Jesus' this tree is not in season yet it may produce fruit yet -verse13. Since it was only the next day that the tree was withered verse 21.
So we must speak the things of which is in God's Word-speak the truth and it will come to pass. Someone said "People can have what they say, but they're saying what they have."

So we must take what is ours-THE BLESSING. We must take it THROUGH FAITH! We are NOT UNDER THE CURSE!!!! So no more blindness, no more sickness.
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Old 28th November 2004, 10:29 AM
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Perhaps , you could say something to the Gentiles such as myself . I was never under the Law and so was never under the curse of the Law .

I disagree with most of the post because it is WOF oriented . There is a WOF subforum in the Pentecostal/Charasmatic forum for WOF threads if you are interested .
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ohhh it is?? i don't know what WOF is.........

can someone move it?????

sorry if i put it in the wrong place!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Julesy
ohhh it is?? i don't know what WOF is.........

can someone move it?????

sorry if i put it in the wrong place!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't put it in the wrong place . You just may not have the kind of advice in this forum that would go along the lines of what you wish to say .

If you don't know what WOF is , you can go to the WOF subforum and read some of the threads . I think that the older ones deal mainly about what WOF is but I could be mistaken . If you cannot find any , you could have a thread asking for which threads to read to understand the basic ideas .
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If you cannot find any , you could have a thread asking for which threads to read to understand the basic ideas .
that sounds a bit confusing, but where would i put that thread.....lol, i think i'll pm a mod. oh dear, lol
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Originally Posted by Julesy
that sounds a bit confusing, but where would i put that thread.....lol, i think i'll pm a mod. oh dear, lol
ok .

Edited to add : When you stated that you didn't know what WOF was , I forgot to tell you that it stood for "Word of Faith" . You may be familiar with that term but not with WOF .

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still don't have much idea, if its some american thingy, thats why i don't know about it.... think i heard of it from someone on here, bnut still dont know what it is!!!! but i found where it is, in the spirit filled bit? i pmed a mod, and i think it'll be moved somewhere there.
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Originally Posted by Julesy
still don't have much idea, if its some american thingy, thats why i don't know about it.... think i heard of it from someone on here, bnut still dont know what it is!!!! but i found where it is, in the spirit filled bit? i pmed a mod, and i think it'll be moved somewhere there.
It is in the correct place now.
WoF mean word of faith.
This phrase comes from Romans 10:

Rom 10:8
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach...


The movement believes that God spoke and meant what He said. It was not true for just the NT authors or OT prophets. It is true for us. When He said by His stripes ye were healed... He meant it. When He said all the promises of God are in Him yes and amen... He meant it. When He said whosoever shall call on the anme of the Lord shall be saved... He meant it. We do not go around looking for reasons why it does not apply to us. We accept His word as true for us today individually and completely. We then take that word and apply it two ways:
In our heart by believing it, and
In our mouth by confessing it.

"By His stripes I was healed."
"I pray and believe and I have whosoever I say."
"I am the righteousness of God in Christ."
"I have been redeemed from the curse of the Law."
"God has given me all things that pertain to live and godliness."

This is the confession of the word of God that brings possession.

Some do not like this because they say all these things do not belong to us by virtue of the gospel and the work of Jesus on the cross. They want to say that all these things are still subject to the immediate and individual will of God for each of us. But we believe the immediate and individual will of God is the same for all of us. It was established by what Jesus did for us on the cross and so there is no longer any asking or decisions to be made. It is finished. It is done. There is nothing more for God to do or decide in these matters. All the work, decisions, and provisions have been made. All we need to is to believe it.
The refusal to believe God for these things is a inadvertant denial of the gospel and the work of Christ. The devil has successfully tricked people into adding elements to the gospel that are not there.
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i agree with this thingy going on
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