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30th November 2004, 11:05 AM
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Reps: 795,074,081,220,177,024 (power: 795,074,081,220,202) | | Originally Posted by rhemarob Isn't it amazing, when people just study the Word and believe what it says they find their way right into the WoF camp.
Can I ask a question? Im not familiar with wOof so please excuse me if it seems a bit silly! I assume it has something to do with positive confessions and the threefold ministry which I have heard about.
If we believe God's word and prophecies yes, what when these prophecies and God's word apply to a curse if you see what I mean?
To be specific, as I said in another post, it says dozens of times in the bible about Israel and the Jews and their importance, e.g 'I will bless those who Bless you and curse those who curse you and all nations will be blessed through you', so what happens when a city/churches turn actively anti semitic and provide funds for PLO organisations? Do we go about saying 'wealth and riches are in my house' or how great we are in Jesus etc when we are under God's judgement and churches here are closing, the communities are in turmoil, highest teenage pregnancy rate in europe, highest burglary rate, high number of believers needing healing confessing for it but nothing, highest number of churches and ministries with 4 people in them- the pastor his wife and two kids,churches closing through lacks of funds, we have had a huge number of prophecies concerning the anti semitism and how we are under God's curse but leaders says this is negative talk. It has reached the stage that a protestant bishop has recently been on radio saying the state of Israel should not exist and my home church are debating wether to hang a palestinian flag in the church in protest of Israel having Jerusalem.
My question is that how can we ignore this then and turn it into a blessing and have a blessing like you see on the God channel? Curse to Blessing through Wof how does this work?
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30th November 2004, 01:56 PM
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Reps: 425 (power: 0) | | WoF proceeds with the assumption that you have His word abiding in you and that you obey His commands. People who do what you suggest do not have the word of Christ living in them. You cannot hate people including Jews and pretend that this will not affect your spiritual and physcial life. Forget about temporal blessings... these folks need to repent and get saved. Just get them saved. Then pump them full of the word of God and watch them change.  Originally Posted by lismore Can I ask a question? Im not familiar with wOof so please excuse me if it seems a bit silly! I assume it has something to do with positive confessions and the threefold ministry which I have heard about.
If we believe God's word and prophecies yes, what when these prophecies and God's word apply to a curse if you see what I mean?
To be specific, as I said in another post, it says dozens of times in the bible about Israel and the Jews and their importance, e.g 'I will bless those who Bless you and curse those who curse you and all nations will be blessed through you', so what happens when a city/churches turn actively anti semitic and provide funds for PLO organisations? Do we go about saying 'wealth and riches are in my house' or how great we are in Jesus etc when we are under God's judgement and churches here are closing, the communities are in turmoil, highest teenage pregnancy rate in europe, highest burglary rate, high number of believers needing healing confessing for it but nothing, highest number of churches and ministries with 4 people in them- the pastor his wife and two kids,churches closing through lacks of funds, we have had a huge number of prophecies concerning the anti semitism and how we are under God's curse but leaders says this is negative talk. It has reached the stage that a protestant bishop has recently been on radio saying the state of Israel should not exist and my home church are debating wether to hang a palestinian flag in the church in protest of Israel having Jerusalem.
My question is that how can we ignore this then and turn it into a blessing and have a blessing like you see on the God channel? Curse to Blessing through Wof how does this work?
Thanks
Lismore
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1st December 2004, 07:11 AM
| | Baruch ata hashem Adonai, Hallelujah!
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Reps: 795,074,081,220,177,024 (power: 795,074,081,220,202) | | Originally Posted by songbird88 WoF proceeds with the assumption that you have His word abiding in you and that you obey His commands. People who do what you suggest do not have the word of Christ living in them. You cannot hate people including Jews and pretend that this will not affect your spiritual and physcial life. Forget about temporal blessings... these folks need to repent and get saved. Just get them saved. Then pump them full of the word of God and watch them change.
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8th December 2004, 12:09 PM
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Reps: 164,478 (power: 178) | | Originally Posted by rhemarob Isn't it amazing, when people just study the Word and believe what it says they find their way right into the WoF camp.
Yes, isn't it amazing!
I was talking to a guy who goes to a kind of ex-WoF church. He said that his pastor was seeing a lot of fulfillment in receiving "things" but was unhappy spiritually. IOW, he had butter but no bread to slap it on!
I told him that WoF was just opposite with me. The revelation came of who I am in Christ and the rest followed after. Now, his church is trying to find God (and I'm afraid through works of the flesh)...
Anyway, Julesy, take a look at this OP with another viewpoint.
Christ fulfilled all of the Law, and was therefore worthy of its blessings. Someone wrote about not being a Jew and therefore never being under the curse... Sorry to bust a bubble, but Romans tells us that we were all (all of mankind) born under the Law of sin and death.
Anyway, I am complete in Jesus. I am in Him, therefore, what He accomplished was accomplished with me in Him. Also, He is in me who accomplished all things.
IOW, He is truly only worthy of the blessings according to Deut. 28, but He is the Victor in you and me. So, even though the blessings belong to Him, they are mine in Him. And that possession, we have by faith. And it is according to His Grace - His power and ability alone to do in us and through us what ALONE only He can do.
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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. |
27th December 2004, 08:04 AM
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