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I notice alot of creationists come here and make grandiose proclaations about the evidence, but I have to ask, are you really capable of making a judgement on this evidence? Do you really understand it sufficiently well to actually make a good contribution to the debate? or are you just toeing the party line? I dno't mean to come across as agressive in this post, but it does concern me that many of the creationist posters are not really adressing any of the evidence and are not actually learning anything about the opposing view, preferring to just flippantly dismiss anything that disagrees with their preconcieved worldview.
Perhaps others (even myself) are guilty of doing the same, however the difference I notice with the evolutionists, is that we tend to put forth a significant amount of evidence and analysis of the evidence, and this is something I think is lacking from the creationist side.
To the creationists, please recognise that you do not know it all, and you are not all experts on every facet of science, and please read the evidence that the evolutionists put forth. If you have a problem with it, please try to make clear in detail what your problems with the data are, and then perhaps you might either stand a better chance of convincing the opposition that you are right, or allow them to provide a better explanation and help you to learn. Flippant dismissals get nobody anywhere, and merely add to the frustration of those who often spend a good deal of time writing out lengthy responses to your problems.
I hope that we can all discuss the issues sensibly and maturely,
Jet.
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the bible is the only evidence we need , it is GODS PERFECT WORD, however I will refrain from making this post too long and detailed since I seem to offend everyone and break the rules I guess. All the evidence is in GOds Word.
i dont trust sources from mans fallible thinking becuase tis non christian and naturaly because of our sin nature.
it is anti-God and atheist. If the evidence contradicts the bible, it is false. Simple as that, I wish people were more unbias and open minded to this possibility. We must approach the evidence with an open mind and the possiblity that God created the universe useing Creationism
If the evidence contradicts the bible, it is false.
We must approach the evidence with an open mind
I see just a tad contradiction here between your refusal to accept evidence which might threaten your interpretation of the Bible and your exhortation to look at evidence with an open mind.
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the bible is the only evidence we need , it is GODS PERFECT WORD, however I will refrain from making this post too long and detailed since I seem to offend everyone and break the rules I guess. All the evidence is in GOds Word.
i dont trust sources from mans fallible thinking becuase tis non christian and naturaly because of our sin nature.
it is anti-God and atheist. If the evidence contradicts the bible, it is false. Simple as that, I wish people were more unbias and open minded to this possibility. We must approach the evidence with an open mind and the possiblity that God created the universe useing Creationism
your post is precisely the sort of thing I am talking about. I don't much care whether you agree with evolution or not, just that you actually understand what you are talking about in the first place. I am finding irrelevant rants like yours rather tiresome. If all you are going to do is ignore the forum rules, which state that you should have an open mind and be willing to learn (stonewallers need not apply) then please just leave, before we have to start hitting the report button. what do you even post here for if you are not really interested in anything other people have to say?
__________________ MSci MSc ARCS DIC PhD..... yes, I am bragging.
I notice alot of creationists come here and make grandiose proclaations about the evidence, but I have to ask, are you really capable of making a judgement on this evidence? Do you really understand it sufficiently well to actually make a good contribution to the debate? or are you just toeing the party line? I dno't mean to come across as agressive in this post, but it does concern me that many of the creationist posters are not really adressing any of the evidence and are not actually learning anything about the opposing view, preferring to just flippantly dismiss anything that disagrees with their preconcieved worldview.
Perhaps others (even myself) are guilty of doing the same, however the difference I notice with the evolutionists, is that we tend to put forth a significant amount of evidence and analysis of the evidence, and this is something I think is lacking from the creationist side.
To the creationists, please recognise that you do not know it all, and you are not all experts on every facet of science, and please read the evidence that the evolutionists put forth. If you have a problem with it, please try to make clear in detail what your problems with the data are, and then perhaps you might either stand a better chance of convincing the opposition that you are right, or allow them to provide a better explanation and help you to learn. Flippant dismissals get nobody anywhere, and merely add to the frustration of those who often spend a good deal of time writing out lengthy responses to your problems.
I hope that we can all discuss the issues sensibly and maturely,
Jet.
I'll try real hard to do better. I promise.
But why are there still apes around if evolution is true? Hehehehe.
If the evidence contradicts the bible, it is false. Simple as that, I wish people were more unbias and open minded to this possibility. We must approach the evidence with an open mind and the possiblity that God created the universe useing Creationism
(emphasis mine)
It seems to me, and correct me if this is a foolish judgement, that it is you who are not approaching the evidence with an open mind. After all, you have already committed to the conclusion before looking at the evidence. How open minded can you possibly be?
I think that I, and many if not all of the others, would be delighted to be persuaded by a creationist who provides us with evidence which can make their case.
__________________ Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. - Mother Teresa
It seems to me, and correct me if this is a foolish judgement, that it is you who are not approaching the evidence with an open mind. After all, you have already committed to the conclusion before looking at the evidence. How open minded can you possibly be?
I think that I, and many if not all of the others, would be delighted to be persuaded by a creationist who provides us with evidence which can make their case.
I promise.
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