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Old 25th October 2009, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
You do realize that the only passage in Scripture that mentions praying in tongues forbids the practice.
what verse 1 cor 14:39?

I do not believe in tongues as a gift right now
it was for the early church.... to spread the gospel
and for the 144,000 to spread the gospel during the Great Trib
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Old 30th October 2009, 11:07 AM
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A Bapticostal pastor told me that when they try to get people to start speaking in tongues, they will sometimes "coach" them with the following phrases:

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Who stole my Honda?
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Old 30th October 2009, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
A Bapticostal pastor told me that when they try to get people to start speaking in tongues, they will sometimes "coach" them with the following phrases:

Who tie-dyed my dye-tied tie?
Who tied my tie?
Who untied my tie?
Who stole my Honda?
That's terrible Vince. I guess the Holy Spirit needs a little help from us humans to get the job done.
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Originally Posted by LiveInSpirit View Post
That's terrible Vince.
Indeed it is. As a group, Pentecostals (who are often very Godly people) have moved away from the practice of coaching people to get them to start speaking in tongues.

Even a casual reading of Acts chapter 2 will show that speaking in tongues refers to speaking to another person, in a language that you do not understand, in order to tell him how to be saved. Passages in 1 Corinthians indicate that the gift can be abused, and that people with the gift can use it to show off in church. But the people today who "speak in tongues" in a church don't have the ability to use it on the lost, and I think that they are only babbling.
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Speaking in Tongues

What is not taught by those churches who still believe in tongues today is that there were Sign gifts that the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles and 1st century believers because the Jews were seeking a Sign.

Those sign gifts diminished as the 1st century ended and you don't even see tongues mentioned in the later books. They had served their purpose.

You also don't see Christians today with the Miracle Gifts such as Raising people from the dead, healing Lepers instantly or any other disease like that, getting bit by a Black Mamba and suffering no ill effects, and people getting healed by just touching the garment of a Apostle/Disciple, etc. That was for the Apostolic Age, not today. The same is true of Prophecy. That is why we have the 66 books today. All prophecy has been given and we now wait for the return of Jesus.

Praise God we know he overcomes the world and will Rapture his own to himself one day soon, so we should be more focused on winning the lost and growing believers than a Feel Good experience that so many churches have gotten caught up with.
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Interesting topic - I am a member of the SBC and my southern baptist pastor just announced in church last Sunday that he was NOT cessationist in regards to the gifts of the spirit - including tongues. It wasn't the first time he had done this.

I've always been non-cessationist and was quite happy to hear this again from our pastor last Sunday. Apparantly cessationism is not a requirement to be a member of the SBC. This greatly pleases me - as I have come to love the SBC.
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Tongues

It's certainly not a requirement to belong to the SBC. We don't make it an issue as long as people don't start standing up in the middle of a sermon and start blabbing incoherently. We had that happen in our church once and had to remove her. So there are those who seep in that believe in tongues, even some pastors but it's not prevalent.

What's important is to rely on the scriptures more than man and these are the main areas of tongues in scripture:

A- It was a Sign Gift and it's purpose was to reveal God's New Covenant through Jesus and the Holy Spirit TO the Jews.
B- Paul chastised the Corinthians for chasing after the lesser gifts such as tongues and encouraged them to focus on what was more important such as love. 1 Cor. 12:27-13:7. And in v. 8 it states "where there are tongues they will be stilled".
C- Those who speak in tongues edify themselves - 1 Cor.14:4. So why would we spend much time or emphasis on a Spiritual gift that edifies ourselves and not the Church?
D- There were about 12 books of the NT written after the last mention of tongues. It appears that tongues had served their purpose as well as prophecy did too and that is why after Revelation there have not been any more books written that belong in the Bible (unless you want to believe the Mormons)
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"Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way." 1 Corinthians 12:29-31
The obvious answer is NO.
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Baptists The forum for Baptist and other similar denominations.

Notice that this forum is not for Baptist alone. My church is Alienza Cristiana y Misionera. It is so similar to a Baptist Church that my pastor back in 1972 asked a Baptist Pastor to baptice me in his church; for me to become an Alianza member.

Talking tongues.
Alianza has a church in Rivera City (Uruguay), a city divided in two by the border line with Brazil. In Brazil there is some africans religions similar to voodoo. In brazil, the name is macumba. In a macumba, the women make a circle and commence singing and shaolting as they slowly became exited. Eventualy they enter "trance" and talk in the name of an spirit. At the Alianza the women do exactly the same and talk tongues. At the Alienza those women are apreciated as the more spiritual and more gifted of the community.
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I have read most of this thread. Very interesting input. I believe in the day of Pentecost when the apostles spoke in tongues to preach the gospel to those who spoke different languages. I'd have to re-read that part of the Bible for specifics though.

It was mentioned in this thread that newcomers to speaking in tongues had to practice. What's the point in that? If you truly speak in tongues, it would be the power of God that allows you to do so, not practice.

Further, I had a Pentecostal friend in high school and we had discussed various theological differences. There used to be (maybe still is) an annual 'see you at the pole' day where you gather around the flagpole at school and pray before school starts. My friend was standing next to me. When the "host" of the event began to pray, my friend started "speaking in tongues". I put quotes around this because I started listening. He just kept repeating the words "God, my God, God, oh my God, God..."

I never talked to him about it but that is not speaking in tongues. Tongues isn't just babbling nondescript words nor repeating a chant of words. As I said speaking in tongues is the divinely enabled ability of speaking other languages. It is not required to speak in tongues to speak to God. I do not believe nor have I read in the Bible that we are to speak in tongues at this point in history.

It is wrong to speak in tongues? I don't think so necessarily. Is there a reason to do so or is it required to speak to God. No.
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