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1st April 2004, 03:07 PM
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1st April 2004, 03:13 PM
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Reps: 331,635,695,533,173,184 (power: 331,635,695,533,197) | | Originally Posted by bevets I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has. ~ Malcolm Muggeridge
Oh my, if Malcom Muggeridge says it it must be true!!! Run for the hills!!!
Creationsists have been saying this for 150 years. When is it actually going to happen? When is the data going to stop supporting evolution time after time after time? Methinks never. Creationism will be put on the shelves next to geocentrism and a flat earth, as failed theories that have been falsified to such an extent that they are mere entertainment. Nice try though. |
1st April 2004, 03:14 PM
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From the "articles" (humor columns?) Surprising though it may seem, Darwinism did not collapse because it was disproved by new evidence. (As we shall see, the evidence never really fit it anyway.) Instead, evolutionary theory was knocked off its pedestal by three developments in the first decade of this century-developments centered in the United States, but worldwide in scope. Those developments were: (1) the widespread adoption of a "teach the controversy" approach in education, (2) a growing public awareness of the scientific weaknesses of evolutionary theory, and (3) the rise of the more fruitful "theory of intelligent design."
On a societal and cultural level the damage such spurious and unwarranted elite opinions wreaked on the world at large was immense. For if everything people do results solely from their brains, and everything the brain does results solely from material causes, then people are no different than any other complicated machine and the brain is no different in principle than any very complex computer. If matter determines all, everything is passive and no one ever really does anything, or to be more precise, no one is really responsible for anything they think, say, or do.
To see how this happened, recall how exchanges between Darwinists and the early design theorists used to go. The design theorists would go to great lengths to analyze a given biological structure, show why it constituted an obstacle to Darwinian and other materialistic forms of evolution, and lay out how the structure in question exhibited clear marks of intelligence. To such carefully drawn lines of scientific argument and evidence, the Darwinist invariably offered stock responses, such as, "There you go with your religion again" "You're just substituting supernatural causes for natural causes" "You just haven't figured out how evolution did it" "You're arguing from ignorance" "You're lazy; get back in the lab and figure out how evolution did it."
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1st April 2004, 03:15 PM
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Let´s just revert to the good old days of "I am right, because my Holy Book says it." - and hand out the ammunition.
There is nothing as good as a religious war to determine truth.
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1st April 2004, 03:16 PM
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1st April 2004, 03:18 PM
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Reps: 637 (power: 0) | | | Tee hee hee. This is not-so-interesting speculative fiction. Of course, fiction is the only place where this could occur. Where's all the ID research that would serve as the foundation for this?
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1st April 2004, 03:51 PM
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1st April 2004, 03:53 PM
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Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world." |
1st April 2004, 04:36 PM
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Reps: 39 (power: 0) | | | I feel I should add a proper source to Bevet's quote, since he apparently doesn't feel like it himself. Malcolm Muggeridge (1903-1990) was a fundamentalist christian, obviously. Later in life he entered the Catholic church. He went to Cambridge, but his career was journalism, and I can find no evidence that he was any authority on biology. In fact, the sources I checked indicate that he didn't do very well at all on his studies. In light of these facts, the reliability of the quote as a knowledgeable source is questionable. | | |
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