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2nd April 2004, 10:27 AM
| | A Liberal Christian 63  | | Join Date: 10th February 2004
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Reps: 147 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Suzannah Well, Andy, the next time you see him, please give him a message:
"I am Jesus, Whom you are persecuting"....
Nice one Suzannah! | 
2nd April 2004, 10:40 AM
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Reps: 1,454 (power: 13) | | Originally Posted by Tangnefedd I would be heading in the opposite direction if that terrible excuse for a human being is in heaven!!! 
Thats terrible.
Ever heard the hymn
'They will know we are christians by our love... by our love...'
What makes you better or more innocent by slandering him. He is no more worthy of heaven than you or I.
Perhaps we should pray for the man and 'love our neighbor as ourselves' as that is one of the 2 greatest commands in the kingdom of heaven or so says our Lord Jesus himself whom we profess to follow.
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2nd April 2004, 11:15 AM
| | A Liberal Christian 63  | | Join Date: 10th February 2004
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Reps: 147 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by d0c markus Thats terrible.
Ever heard the hymn
'They will know we are christians by our love... by our love...'
What makes you better or more innocent by slandering him. He is no more worthy of heaven than you or I.
Perhaps we should pray for the man and 'love our neighbor as ourselves' as that is one of the 2 greatest commands in the kingdom of heaven or so says our Lord Jesus himself whom we profess to follow.
I don't know if I am worthy of heaven or not, but Ian Paisley's infamatory speeches have incited hatred between the Catholics and Protestants that is fact! If God smiles on that sort of behaviour then Christianity is not for me! | 
2nd April 2004, 11:32 AM
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Reps: 10,669 (power: 26) | | | Well, I don't like speculating as to who is going where...but I do think that it is not "slander" to state the facts of who he is now, what he has done in the past and continues to do now, in the present....
I don't know if he is going to heaven or not. I'm not even sure that I am...but I do know what Ian is, where he comes from, and what he is doing....I certainly haven't forgotten where I come from... | 
2nd April 2004, 12:12 PM
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Reps: 18,650,026,702,622,460 (power: 18,650,026,702,634) | | Originally Posted by Tangnefedd I don't know if I am worthy of heaven or not,
Your not !! No one is: It's purely by Gods grace and mercy that anyone inherits heaven !
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) Originally Posted by Tangnefedd but Ian Paisley's infamatory speeches have incited hatred between the Catholics and Protestants that is fact!
Catholics and Protestants were hating each other long beofore Mr Paisley was born.
Consider also that Jesus himself made a few speeches about the religious authoritys in his day which earned him the same kind of criticism your leveling at Mr Paisley.
Im no fan of Ian Paisley myself. Insofar as his rhetoric and delivery of speeches are concerned he certainly pulls no punches. But we stand on dangerous ground when we start to judge whether another person is Gods child or not. Unless you know a person 'personally' your in no position to assume one way or the other about their eternal destiny. Jeus said "By their fruit you shall know them" that is true but the truth is and i venture to be adament that no one in this thread actually knows the fruits of Ian Paisleys labour so therefore no one can judge whether he is a child of God or not!
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2nd April 2004, 12:14 PM
|  | A sinner 57 
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2nd April 2004, 12:38 PM
| | A Liberal Christian 63  | | Join Date: 10th February 2004
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Reps: 147 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Suzannah I'd say the fruits of "Ian's labour" are fairly evident in Belfast,Derry, Armagh and throughout Northern Ireland...but being Irish, who am I to say????  Just a thought.
Spot on! | 
2nd April 2004, 01:19 PM
|  | Floreat Dunelmia 30  | | Join Date: 28th August 2003
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Reps: 7,255 (power: 18) | | I have never heard about him before until I searched for him on the internet...and was shocked at the level of hatred which this man spouts. I found the following from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/1678/ian.html
Yes, I know man is imperfect, but this person is definately not Christian if you consider what he says. How could he claim to follow Jesus and believe what he does? It truly is sickening. His Position on Catholics - In 1956, Rev. Paisley abducted a 16 year old girl, Maura Lyons, who was in a dispute with her parents about joining the Free Presbyterian Church. He attempted to use her as an anti-Catholic propaganda stunt and would not inform police where she was. Paisley was later ordered in court never to go near the girl or her family again.
- In 1959, the Presbyterian Moderator of Ireland was on tour of churches and visited a Catholic priest, the Rev. J. Wilson, whom he had befriended. Rev. Paisley described this act of human friendship as an act of "blasphemy".
- In April, 1958, Rev. Paisley sponsored Juan Arrien, a Spanish ex-priest, who performed exaggerated "mock masses" as part of an anti-Catholic road show. When Fr. Murphy of Ballymurphy protested that a public facility was to be used for this sectarian, anti-Catholic show, Rev. Paisley responded in his magazine, Revivalist, "We know your church to be the mother of harlots and the abomination of the earth."
- On June 17, 1959, at a Belfast rally, he publicly chastised "the men of the Shankill for allowing papists, pope's men, and papishers" to live on the Shankill Rd. Angry crowds went to the addresses called out by Paisley, burned out the occupants and looted their homes.
- As religious ecumenism was progressing between Churches and Religions during the 1960s, a Catholic priest actually preached in Westminster Abbey and Protestant ministers were welcomed in Catholic churches, Mr. Paisley was -- and still is -- wild with recrimination and bigotry at any intra-religious experience or sharing of ideas.
- In keeping with the above attitude, he called Pope John XXIII a "Roman anti-Christ" and his Church the "Harlot of Babylon". On June 3, when the Pope died, Paisley roared, "This romish man of sin is now in hell."
- In May of 1968, during the height of the Civil Rights movement in the North, Paisley addressed a mob of 500 loyalists and burned a photograph of Prime Minister O'Neil who was shown to be visiting a Catholic convent the week before.
- After inciting loyalists to burn Catholic families out of their homes, the Rev. Paisley explained the problem to the press: His exact words were "Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioners; and the massive discrimination in employment and shortage of houses for Catholics were simply because they breed like "rabbits" and multiply like "vermin".
- William Beattie, a loyal lieutenant of Rev. Paisley, addressed a DUP Youth Group after the Anglo-Irish Accord was signed by the Dublin and London governments in 1986: "We must hire assassins to kill Catholics and pay them when the job is done."
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2nd April 2004, 01:24 PM
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2nd April 2004, 01:29 PM
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Reps: 7,255 (power: 18) | | | Thanks for the reply. I just finished reading the rest of the website about Ian Paisley and I'm shocked by what I've been reading. I think that only the KKK and Hitler, and the person who runs the Westboro baptist church, would come close to the level of evil and hatred of this man. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |