Losing faith and my head hurts.

kaiser · #1 21st March 2004, 01:53 AM

Recently I have been exchanging emails with this atheist that I met not too long ago. At first I thought "Wow, this will be a great opportunity to share my beliefs and convince her why believing in god is the right thing to do."

I couldn't have been more wrong.

We began discussing our beliefs and on the second email, I realized that this was more than I bargained for. No matter what I threw out there, she easily countered with completely logical explanations.

So by the time the third email circulated around a bit, I was just about on the verge of a mental breakdown. I received a response and carefully read it.

My beliefs had been blown out of the water. My first reaction was well... nothing. I couldn't think of anything to say. Everything she said made complete sense, and could not have been argued. I just sat there and stared at the monitor in disbelief. Then I just started laughing and saying things like "Hahahaha... my beliefs are a crock!... HAHAHA.. What am I gonna do!? HAHAHAHAHA!"

Then after about 15 minutes, reality started to kick in. My hands were shaking, my chest felt as if it were going to explode, not to mention that my mind was going 100 miles per minute. Alot of thoughts were running through my head in a sea of white-noise.

Atheism made sense and theism did not. I could not believe it.

So I tried to go to sleep after the atheist managed to calm me down a bit.

Its been 4 days, and while I feel a bit better, my mind is still going crazy, and I have this weird nervous feeling. I'm not sure what I believe in anymore.

I just want it all to stop... I am very confused right now. I need help.

kaiser · #2 21st March 2004, 02:07 AM

but my family... I don't think they will understand. I haven't told them yet.

And my brother, I know he will never treat me the same if he ever found out what is going on in my head right now...

Breetai · #3 21st March 2004, 02:16 AM

What did you believe before? You were convinced that there is no high intelligence known as God?

Have you ever taken any philosophy? I kind of like David Hume (I claim that he was an agnostic, btw). Here's one of his most popular works, that I found very interesting. http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/dialogues/ You'll have to register, but it's free. It gives some interesting arguments from both sides.

TRIBULATOR · #4 21st March 2004, 02:19 AM

Kaizer,

the questions you need to ask should not be directed to those who have no regard for life or ist eternal aspects. These people will pretend to be your friend and have great skill in leading poeple away from God because it is simply easier and more reasonable to be human that way. But that is the easy way out and and unfortinatley the way out may also lead to hell.

Ask yourself a different question kaiser:

If hell is a reality and there really is a God, will your atheist friends be a confort to you in hell? Do you think they will care about where you end up? Do you think that they would sacrifice themselves to save you from it?

Well, Jesus did? So who is really your friend here?

Atheism versus Theism is a RISK. What the atehists claim and teach right now has no consequesnces if they are right. But if they are wrong, will you risk those consequesnces just because they are able to make it SOUND good today?

Will you give up a chance for eternal life in heaven for a chance to deny the possibiloty of God today and be with so called friends who do not care if you take that chance with them.

If I was an atheist, and I really cared about someone , I would never ask them to take the chance on going to hell with me. if I want to risk hell for eternity than let me go for it, but why would I invite someone that I cared about to do the same thing.

Think about this deeply my freind, for if you choose to go with them, then you will end up with them, and that may or may not be a good thing.

All we can do is tell you that you have a choice!

Badfish · #5 21st March 2004, 02:33 AM

The moral of the story? Satan is a good debator. And a person weak in faith shouldn't embark on such endeavors.

TRIBULATOR · #6 21st March 2004, 02:42 AM

Yes kaizer, it is US VERSUS THEM!

They will be those who find out what happens to those who deny God and lure others with them.

Us will be all those who have considered the universe and all of its complexity and known that there must be a God, and then reap whatever benefits that we gain through that consideration.

as I said there two modes of thought here:

One: Question the creation and its possibility, and if you can bgelieve in an Almighty Creator than you take no risk in folliwng what might be His guidance.

Two: deny the existence of what might be an Almighty God and risk what might the punishgment for such disregard.

The real question all atheists should be asking is:

Is possible damnation worth my present freedom to deny God?

What do they get out of it? freedom to live a corrupt life of sin and hate? Who would want that atheist or not?

A life with nothing to llok forward to except worms in the grave? Who wants that anyway?

God does not ask anything of us except to love one another and believe in Him. Is that more than you are willing to give up?

kaiser · #7 21st March 2004, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by TRIBULATOR

Yes kaizer, it is US VERSUS THEM!

They will be those who find out what happens to those who deny God and lure others with them.

Us will be all those who have considered the universe and all of its complexity and known that there must be a God, and then reap whatever benefits that we gain through that consideration.

as I said there two modes of thought here:

One: Question the creation and its possibility, and if you can bgelieve in an Almighty Creator than you take no risk in folliwng what might be His guidance.

Two: deny the existence of what might be an Almighty God and risk what might the punishgment for such disregard.

The real question all atheists should be asking is:

Is possible damnation worth my present freedom to deny God?

What do they get out of it? freedom to live a corrupt life of sin and hate? Who would want that atheist or not?

A life with nothing to llok forward to except worms in the grave? Who wants that anyway?

God does not ask anything of us except to love one another and believe in Him. Is that more than you are willing to give up?

From what I can tell, I have no reason to believe that atheists lack any form of morality.

And besides, which do you think would be truly worse in the eyes of god:

1) Blindly and ignorantly following him out of a selfish fear that you may spend an eternity in hell

2) Not believing that he exists because there is no hard evidence to suggest that he does

Just a point that the atheist raised in one of the emails.

For an advocate for christ, you sure do a crappy job.

TRIBULATOR · #8 21st March 2004, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by holodoctor1

I can't believe this. This is such a huge problem because alot of christians are not only doing it to me, but to everyone. STOP USUING THREATS AND SCARE TACTICS TO BRING PEOPLE TO YOUR RELIGION!!! If you believe in a religion, it should be because you believe, not becuase you fear the alternitive!

I do not fear the alternative friend,,,my God has saved me from that and I have only good things to llok forward to.

It is you who live in fear and doubt , not I !

kaiser · #9 21st March 2004, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by TRIBULATOR

AHHH, just as I thoguht, Kaiser ,,,you are obviously an athiest anyway. Im out. No sense in trying to save anyone who wants to risk their eternal soul. I treid, have a great eternity with these that you call your friends and may God have mercy!

Whats weird is you were the one who was constantly saying "Atheists act like your friends but they will just bail out on you" Or something to that effect.

Thanks alot buddy, you've really helped me see now.

As for my religious status I am unsure as to what I am. I am standing on a fence trying to decide which side to jump down to.

Badfish · #10 21st March 2004, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by kaiser

Whats weird is you were the one who was constantly saying "Atheists act like your friends but they will just bail out on you" Or something to that effect.

Thanks alot buddy, you've really helped me see now.

As for my religious status I am unsure as to what I am. I am standing on a fence trying to decide which side to jump down to.

Well I wouldn't make a decision based on what you read on a messageboard, atheists who WANT you to turn will be friendly as all get out, this is Satan working against you. I would take it easy and not be rushed into making a decision based on Ad Populum atheistic arguments. What the heck is the rush?