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Read the rest of Orange's posts and ask yourself if you really think it would achieve anything.
__________________ Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."
1) You don’t care about any arguments when given. Arguments and facts are meaning nothing for you. No matter/ for you. And truth in general.
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2) Your ignorance bored us.
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3) What is significant for you-it is your opinion.
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4) There are books about it (Creationism), you can read they yourself. (Creationism and Time).
And you had to ask us to find out what they are.
5) Truth doesn’t need to be propagated so much as lie needs to be propagated. Truth has his big price no matter that it was believed/accepted or not. But the price of the lie depends from the number of fooled persons. So at first if you are fooled it is your problem not our.
Non sequitur.
6) We gave you some arguments already. But you don’t accept them.
It is already not question of arguments but question of philosophy
And mental healthy……. When you can’t believe to a normal sense and your eyes, then no one can help you. You can suspect to all what you see, but is not scientific problem it is other problem.
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7) Evolutionism it is not science, it is hypothesis about this-
If we would accept that God not created the world, then how the world could begin to had been? So it is simply imagination.
You can also imagine so, if you were not born from your mother, then how you can be created in 10 milliard years from the mud by Evolution?
Scientists counted probability of life by Evolution; it is equal 0,0000000000000000000000…………. and so on.
Certainly this argument also means nothing for Evolutionists as all other scientific facts.
Come back when you have learned how to make sense.
8) But instead of Evolutionism the Creationism is real science backed with Lot of scientific facts. You want us to quote all they here?? (read books for it). We were bored by reading and seeing books and movies about Evolutionism, learning/study that nonsense in Schools….
Really we have not a time. And why we must to continue when you
did not accept some arguments already?
Truly we don’t care about you so much, because it is your problem.
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9) Evolutionism was born from Atheism. And what is Atheism?
In deep their heart Atheist thinks so-If God don’t live and work in my life (It is partly true (semi truth)) I would declare (with hysteria) and believe that there is not God. ((If God don’t work in my life it means that there is not God-this is another lie, which lives in hearts in many persons and far away from the sense)). He is offended from the God (as he think). In this way he does revenge to God. So it is hysteria against God. Evolutionism is continuation of the same hysteria. This is one of main reasons why Evolutionists don’t accept any scientific fact or any argument. Because it is not only question of arguments but question of hysteria. And Evolutionism not backed by scientific facts but hysteria and lie. So it is another reason why we-Creationists don’t want to spend much of our time uselessly on Evolutionists.
Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism. Evolution is not atheism.
10) Only one fact for example. Do you know that scientific research showed that age of earth might be only about from 3000 year to 3000000 year when was counted by various (about 50-150) methods.
Most often of them is about 10000 years. Do you know this?? But when you don’t know this simple thing how you can know about other facts? So I hope that it is clear for you now why Creationists don’t want to continue to argue with you. Be well.
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Orange in Christ
__________________ Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."
Hi you. It is right that we, Creationists don’t want to spend our time
For explaining Creationism to you. And I understand other Creationists.
There are some reasons for it.
I've read through your post, and before I answer your reasons, I have two things to say. First, most of what you said here could easily apply to creationists. Second, insulting us and refusing to hear what we have to say is not a good way to discuss this topic.
1) You don’t care about any arguments when given. Arguments and facts are meaning nothing for you. No matter/ for you. And truth in general.
If you had any arguments or facts, we would listen. You are the one who has not listened when we've given arguments and facts. And truth is not general or based upon our opinion. That is totally wrong.
2) Your ignorance bored us.
Thank you. That wasn't very nice.
3) What is significant for you-it is your opinion.
Something is significant if it actually relates to the issue at hand and is new evidence that could help show a theory right or wrong.
4) There are books about it (Creationism), you can read they yourself. (Creationism and Time).
Creationism and Time, is that one of the books? Many people here have read books about creationism- have you read books about evolution? By now, both sides should have read the information available and decided which side they think has the most evidence. Then, we debate.
5) Truth doesn’t need to be propagated so much as lie needs to be propagated. Truth has his big price no matter that it was believed/accepted or not. But the price of the lie depends from the number of fooled persons. So at first if you are fooled it is your problem not our.
So because evolution is widely taught to be true, it is a lie? May I point out that Christianity is also widely taught? How many people believe or teach something isn't the same as how true it is. And when you have something you believe to be true, I would say that you should tell others about it and talk to them. If you want to say that you don't care about whether we know the truth or not, why are you here?
6) We gave you some arguments already. But you don’t accept them.
It is already not question of arguments but question of philosophy
And mental healthy……. When you can’t believe to a normal sense and your eyes, then no one can help you. You can suspect to all what you see, but is not scientific problem it is other problem.
What arguments did you give us? And calling us mentally ill is rude.
7) Evolutionism it is not science, it is hypothesis about this-
If we would accept that God not created the world, then how the world could begin to had been? So it is simply imagination.
You can also imagine so, if you were not born from your mother, then how you can be created in 10 milliard years from the mud by Evolution?
Scientists counted probability of life by Evolution; it is equal 0,0000000000000000000000…………. and so on.
Certainly this argument also means nothing for Evolutionists as all other scientific facts.
Why is evolution not science? From your argument, I get the impression that you haven't read much about evolution. Would you like to talk about what the theory says and what evidence there is for it, and then you can do the same with creationism?
8) But instead of Evolutionism the Creationism is real science backed with Lot of scientific facts. You want us to quote all they here?? (read books for it). We were bored by reading and seeing books and movies about Evolutionism, learning/study that nonsense in Schools….
Really we have not a time. And why we must to continue when you
did not accept some arguments already?
Truly we don’t care about you so much, because it is your problem.
Yes, please tell us some of these scientific facts or the books they are in. The thing is, if we don't accept arguments, that doesn't mean we don't want to- it means that they're bad arguments. We can explain why if you wish. And again, if you don't care about us and don't want to debate, why are you here?
9) Evolutionism was born from Atheism. And what is Atheism?
In deep their heart Atheist thinks so-If God don’t live and work in my life (It is partly true (semi truth)) I would declare (with hysteria) and believe that there is not God. ((If God don’t work in my life it means that there is not God-this is another lie, which lives in hearts in many persons and far away from the sense)). He is offended from the God (as he think). In this way he does revenge to God. So it is hysteria against God. Evolutionism is continuation of the same hysteria. This is one of main reasons why Evolutionists don’t accept any scientific fact or any argument. Because it is not only question of arguments but question of hysteria. And Evolutionism not backed by scientific facts but hysteria and lie. So it is another reason why we-Creationists don’t want to spend much of our time uselessly on Evolutionists.
Evolution and atheism are not the same thing. There are Christians who believe evolution is true, and I've even seen a few atheists who don't. No, atheists do not believe there is a God, deep down, and are denying that. We really don't believe there is a God.
10) Only one fact for example. Do you know that scientific research showed that age of earth might be only about from 3000 year to 3000000 year when was counted by various (about 50-150) methods.
Most often of them is about 10000 years. Do you know this?? But when you don’t know this simple thing how you can know about other facts? So I hope that it is clear for you now why Creationists don’t want to continue to argue with you. Be well.
Orange in Christ
Thank you. Can you give us a link to this scientific research please? If you're leaving, goodbye.
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__________________ Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."
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Did you even read Creation and Time?
Its a Theistic Evolution book.
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“A spider conducts operations that resemble those of a weaver, and a bee puts to shame many an architect in the construction of her cells. But what distinguishes the worst architect from the best of bees is this, that the architect raises his structure in imagination before he erects it in reality.” — Karl Marx
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