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13th March 2004, 11:52 PM
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The mind is the brain? No. The brain encases the mind, but it is not the mind itself.
Say a person is brain dead. The person or soul or mind is gone. The brain is still there.
If the brain and the mind were one and the same, why does the mind disappear in death, yet the brain is still quite real and visible?
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13th March 2004, 11:57 PM
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Reps: 33,304 (power: 47) | | Originally Posted by ilwjc Kent Hovind knew that the evolutionists have no proof and thus the money is unclaimed.
Wow, just wow. Have you ever done a search for the words "proof of evolution"? The mind is the brain? No. The brain encases the mind, but it is not the mind itself.
Say a person is brain dead. The person or soul or mind is gone. The brain is still there.
If the brain and the mind were one and the same, why does the mind disappear in death, yet the brain is still quite real and visible?
They are not the same thing.
Umm you are confusing mind with consciousness. Consciousness does disappear upon death.
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14th March 2004, 12:08 AM
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I think you are mistaking soul for a functioning brain. When you die the brain stops working and the "mind" goes away. Something does disapear from the brain, its called chemical electrical reactions. Supply to keep the brain up and working also disapears and the chemicals in the brain break down as well.
So, you are wrong about this too. Originally Posted by ilwjc Kent Hovind knew that the evolutionists have no proof and thus the money is unclaimed.
The mind is the brain? No. The brain encases the mind, but it is not the mind itself.
Say a person is brain dead. The person or soul or mind is gone. The brain is still there.
If the brain and the mind were one and the same, why does the mind disappear in death, yet the brain is still quite real and visible?
They are not the same thing.
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14th March 2004, 12:11 AM
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Reps: 893 (power: 0) | | | I'm not confused. Call it consciousness or mind, but which came first? The brain or the mind or consciousness?
I take it you don't have the answer.
When a person dies, the brain is still there, but the mind or consciousness is gone. Disappeared.
If the brain and the mind or consciousness were one and the same, the brain would disappear also at death.
They are clearly two different and seperate things. |
14th March 2004, 12:12 AM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by ilwjc If the brain and the mind were one and the same, why does the mind disappear in death, yet the brain is still quite real and visible?
They are not the same thing.
Out of curiosity, is a person's personality a product of the "mind" or the brain?
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14th March 2004, 12:14 AM
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Reps: 6,626 (power: 20) | | Originally Posted by ilwjc When a person dies, the brain is still there, but the mind or consciousness is gone. Disappeared
Which establishes rather neatly that it's possible to have a brain without a mind. If you can't prove that it's possible to have a mind without a brain, then the mind cannot have come first.
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14th March 2004, 12:15 AM
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Reps: 33,304 (power: 47) | | Originally Posted by ilwjc They are clearly two different and seperate things.
Kind of like the heart and the pulse...
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14th March 2004, 12:16 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Justin04 Because I'm wondering where you guys are coming from.
Of course if your a non believer your not going to agree with a evangelest who talks mostly about creation and science
Well I am not a "guy"  but this is where I am coming from...earlier you said you do not know much about science nor do you have an interest in it (your words)...So why are you talking about creation AND science...the latter being a topic you admit that you know little about and have little interest in learning about?? Why not stick with your theology and belief..why are you tying a subject you know little about to your religious beliefs????? What happenes if you decide to start studying science and you learn how wrong you have been, what become sof your faith?? if you arent a believer your going to have a totally different opinoin then a creationist on how ''science stuff'' happens.
See above. I've said from the start I dont know much about it but that seems to be a pretty simple issue.
Yes, it is pretty simple, creationism was falsified long ago. him my question is are you christians?
No, I am an Ex-Christian, but I have a belief in a "higher power." do you believe god made the whole world and everything in it ect
It is a possibility... but we DO know he/they/it did not do it the way creationsts like to think. Do you believe he made the "other worlds" and everything in them??
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14th March 2004, 12:18 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ilwjc I'm not confused. Call it consciousness or mind, but which came first? The brain or the mind or consciousness?
I take it you don't have the answer.
When a person dies, the brain is still there, but the mind or consciousness is gone. Disappeared.
If the brain and the mind or consciousness were one and the same, the brain would disappear also at death.
They are clearly two different and seperate things.
Oh my goodness!!
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Plato, Symposium 203E-204A
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14th March 2004, 12:21 AM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Out of curiosity, is a person's personality a product of the "mind" or the brain?
Gee, and all this time I was thinking it was the Limbic System....
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Plato, Symposium 203E-204A
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