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13th March 2004, 07:11 PM
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That is true. However, if that were the case, why not use better science? Why not become the talking head of AiG or something?
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13th March 2004, 07:14 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | You know, I have always observed that where character-bashing abounds, there's probably some truth to what the "character" is saying.
Have we all lost our high-held value of establishing a conclusion through logical means, or is ad hominem just too much fun  ? |
13th March 2004, 07:20 PM
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In other words, Hovind has been refuted many times. People here are just fed up with him. Try posting a specific claim and see how fast it gets tossed about.
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13th March 2004, 07:25 PM
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13th March 2004, 07:27 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dpatrick You know, I have always observed that where character-bashing abounds, there's probably some truth to what the "character" is saying.
Have we all lost our high-held value of establishing a conclusion through logical means, or is ad hominem just too much fun ?
Not in his case. If he has character, why does he lie so much??
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13th March 2004, 07:41 PM
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Reps: 382 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dpatrick You know, I have always observed that where character-bashing abounds, there's probably some truth to what the "character" is saying.
Have we all lost our high-held value of establishing a conclusion through logical means, or is ad hominem just too much fun ?
Just as societal conventions against murder are overruled when dealing with a particularly dangerous criminal, societal conventions against Ad Hominem are overruled when dealing with a particularly virulent moron.
We can and have established a conclusion through logical means, and that conclusion is that Hovind is the worst 'professional' creationist in modern history. His every argument has been ripped to shreds, shot, pulped, immersed in acid and used as target practice for thermonuclear weaponry. Many times over. And he still keeps spouting his nonsense. By this time our tempers are a little frayed.
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13th March 2004, 08:05 PM
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Reps: 584 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA Sounds like you have it all figured out. If you are not too interested in learning, why did you come to a science forum??
I was being honest in the fact that I dont think that I will sit around and truley study and learn about it. I dont think I would because I dont NEED or HAVE to know how God did what. Everything I learn and hear would only go back to my foundation belief. God made the whole world and the stuff in it and loves me. the end.
my questoin still remains. Because I'm wondering where you guys are coming from.
Of course if your a non believer your not going to agree with a evangelest who talks mostly about creation and science.
So of the people that replied saying something bad about him my question is are you christians? do you believe god made the whole world and everything in it ect |
13th March 2004, 08:13 PM
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Reps: 63,995,668,486,750,328 (power: 63,995,668,486,770) | | Originally Posted by Justin04 I was being honest in the fact that I dont think that I will sit around and truley study and learn about it. I dont think I would because I dont NEED or HAVE to know how God did what. Everything I learn and hear would only go back to my foundation belief. God made the whole world and the stuff in it and loves me. the end.
my questoin still remains. Because I'm wondering where you guys are coming from.
Of course if your a non believer your not going to agree with a evangelest who talks mostly about creation and science.
So of the people that replied saying something bad about him my question is are you christians? do you believe god made the whole world and everything in it ect
Does it matter? Yes, some of the posters who erm... slightly disagree with Hoving here are Christians. Some are not?
So what? Even the "more serious" Creationist groups don´t agree with him.
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13th March 2004, 08:14 PM
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It doesn't have anything to do with being a believer of non believer. What Hovind calls science is so far from science that he is a joke even to many other YECs. He is also a proven liar and capable of amazing leaps of illogic. If the American science education system weren't so totally hopeless a charlatan like "Dr." Hovind would never get to first base. The frumious Bandersnatch |
13th March 2004, 08:24 PM
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Reps: 584 (power: 0) | | | i hear what your saying. but it has everything to do with being a believer or non believer. if you arent a believer your going to have a totally different opinoin then a creationist on how ''science stuff'' happens. i maybe wrong but thats the way I see it. I think that your saying that believer or not many real science people have problems with him. then thats all fine and dandy but if your a non believer of course you will wont agree w/ him hands down. So if your a believer and disagree then I could understand more. I've said from the start I dont know much about it but that seems to be a pretty simple issue. | | |
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