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For starters I dont know what these titles are. If they are the name of the books or what. I'll assume they are sense they are above the letters. Our bibles are very much alike but when you have one thing your whole life and go to another a lil dif it can get confusing and through me easy. Sorry the way its written I wrote it in my email cause I knew this would be LONG. First I'd like to say if I'm wrong. I'm the first one who wants to here it. I didnt ask if you guys knew kent hovind so I could spread hate towards islam I dont want that at all. That is not my intention. I just dont believe we are sister faiths or that we have the same God cause we teach very different things. They teach hate towards us and we teach love towards everyone.
My comment ''their bible says you cant even have christians or jews as friends'' Absolutely not, Islam is a religion of peace, quacks that warp religion for their own purposes are not representatives of Islam.
I have a few of their verse lets just let them speak for themselves.
The Cow
2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
the ummunity
9.30: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
the congregatoin
62.6: Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful.
The clans
33.64: Surely Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a burning fire
33.61: Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.
So those are my verses on them not being a peaceful relegion. the comment that started this was 911 wouldnt have happened if we had the same god. They were quoting verses from the koran not john 3:16 when the plain crashed. Thats always going to be open to debate and opinion and just make people angry (not the verses they were quoting) but whether thats what islam is about. so for the sake of argument I'll say thats just one VERY small group of terrorists who happened to be Islamic. One small group of people.
I said ''their bible says you cant even have christians or jews as friends'' the comment back ''this is also blatently false. At its height the Islamic Empires were very tolerant of other creeds and religions.'' Their bible says
The family from imran,
3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
the dinner table
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
The congregation
4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
I said ''Their bible says to kill christians and jews'' the comment back ''The Qu'ran says no such thing. Muslims consider all people the children of Adam and are against racism.''
the dinner table
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
the cow
9.30: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
the congregatoin
62.6: Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful
my comment ''Muhammed married a girl named Ayesha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old. he told his followers to have no more then 4 wives. he had 22''
comment back ''#1, I don't think this is even true. #2, it is irrelevant because you cannot apply modern standards to societies that existed 1400 years ago. We could certainly do that to christiainity and show how "bad" it is.''
Its true look it up.
Lastly. I dont have any hatred towards the Jews, or the Muslims, or any other people group.
All right. I'm just saying that the Bible is really the only source of info about Jesus. If he was a liar, or a crazy dude, or God, how could we tell the difference?
How would you know the difference? Excellent point! I dont know that anyone could.
One of my points in saying either hes a liar or lord is. Either hes lord or we are all edoits (myself, and anyone who doesnt believe in God and spends time argueing about it) for wasting all this time talking about it. Just my Opinion. Not calling anyone a name.
So if hes lord and your trying to prove that hes not then by all means go ahead and prove it. but if hes a liar we've all wasted our time.
Back to the OP. I like Hovind's Unicorn/Triceratops theory:
What is the unicorn mentioned in the Bible?
Answer:
I've never found a good answer to that one. The Bible mentions this creature six times in Numbers 23:22, 24:8, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 29:6, 92:10. I suspect all the pictures of horses with horns have been so imbedded in our minds we cannot get them out. Scripture mentions the unicorn's great strength, aversion to man, and un-trainability. Horses are domestic animals that train well; reptiles are wild animals with small brains that don't train well, if at all. If we could start fresh and read what the Bible says about unicorns, I think we would find that a stocky strong reptile like the triceratops would fit the description much better. We have all seen so many pictures of a horse with a horn that I doubt we will be able to clear our minds and think about this subject without bias. We will have to wait and ask God that question
I'm not sciencetest heck I'm barrley a construction worker. The loweest of all professions in my opinion. I dont stand by much of what kent says science stuff. I said awhile ago around 20 pages. I dont know anything about science or big bang or evolution or even creation just. I just love god and am happy w/ trying to serve him. I was really just asking a question to see if you all had heard of him and liked him.I had no idea he was this popular or unpopular whatever you wanna call it. I have no answer for you at all. I dont even totally understand your question. If you ask me anything I'll try my best to answer it. This is my best. I dont know.
Justin: Have you actually researched any of these verses? Have you read the verses around them or the entire koran to check context? Have you checked islamic apologetics sites for possible answers to your ideas? Did you look into these possible answers?
''Yes, he's going to give you a shot. Calm down; I've had one before." I showed him where I had mine. I said, "It's no problem. When he gives you the shot, your mouth will go numb so he can drill out the bad part and fill the hole with silver." He says, "Daddy, he's going to give me a SHOT!" I said, "Yes son, he's going to give you a shot. Now, listen carefully. SIT STILL''
Seems he did to me. he tried.
Yes. One attempt, it worked so well. Personally, I would have used the van time to try a different approach, not resort to physical violence.
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I have.
I've bought tapes on muslims and researched stuff online (honestly I never know if thats a good way or bad only have the stuff onlines true, if that)
I've bought tapes, read their bible and gotten to know many of them. been to their meetings. read from their websites.
There is generally 3 times of muslim (i know, i know. dont make generalizations) but in this case I'm sure people could do the same thing about christianity.
#1 hardcore extremest (people who take the koran literal) then the next group people who are ''modern day'' islams htats what i would call them. they are not violent and dont believe the bible verses are talking lteral they have nothing againest the jews or christians. They believe they are talking about spiritual stuff like prayer ect.
Then theres the people who its nothing more then a name (like your average christian in american) nothing more then a name that was passed down. They dont know most of what their relegion or bible teaches they are just nice everyday american people.
Thats my stance on what I see. Its not EVERY one. I think most can be put into one of those 3 places. I'm sure people can do the same thing to christianity.
I have studied these verses they are not out of context. Most cant even be taken out of context black and white if you asked me. The leteral (sp) arabic translations are harsher on jews christians and violence. if you dont believe me research it for yourself.
Actually I have researched them and have come up with similar conclusions that you did about the evidence, I just treated it differently.
Most research I have done says that your original assertations were wrong, muslims aren't told to kill people who are different nor are they forbiden to keep non muslim friends. Its a misunderstanding and misinterpretation that ends up with these conclusions. The same thing muslim extremists do, and the same thing that many fundementalist christians do with their bible.
So you should have said that muslim extremists believe [enter statement here] and not that the muslim religion teaches [enter statement here].
Originally Posted by Justin04
I have.
I've bought tapes on muslims and researched stuff online (honestly I never know if thats a good way or bad only have the stuff onlines true, if that)
I've bought tapes, read their bible and gotten to know many of them. been to their meetings. read from their websites.
There is generally 3 times of muslim (i know, i know. dont make generalizations) but in this case I'm sure people could do the same thing about christianity.
#1 hardcore extremest (people who take the koran literal) then the next group people who are ''modern day'' islams htats what i would call them. they are not violent and dont believe the bible verses are talking lteral they have nothing againest the jews or christians. They believe they are talking about spiritual stuff like prayer ect.
Then theres the people who its nothing more then a name (like your average christian in american) nothing more then a name that was passed down. They dont know most of what their relegion or bible teaches they are just nice everyday american people.
Thats my stance on what I see. Its not EVERY one. I think most can be put into one of those 3 places. I'm sure people can do the same thing to christianity.
I have studied these verses they are not out of context. Most cant even be taken out of context black and white if you asked me. The leteral (sp) arabic translations are harsher on jews christians and violence. if you dont believe me research it for yourself.
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