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I would think that everyone has a right to earn a living, doing what they feel they are the best at doing. Unless you think we should work for nothing. If that is the case you can have them send your paycheck to our missions department, I will see to it that your money goes to people that need it more than you do.
I would think that everyone has a right to earn a living, doing what they feel they are the best at doing. Unless you think we should work for nothing. If that is the case you can have them send your paycheck to our missions department, I will see to it that your money goes to people that need it more than you do.
What if what they feel they are the best at doing is conning people out of their money, like Hovind? I, personally, find the morality of such an action to be very lacking. I"ve no doubt he's making a very good living off the gullible and ignorant...I just don't know how he can sleep at night.
Wow, just wow. Have you ever done a search for the words "proof of evolution"?
I just did. I got 3,710 results. Then i did "proof of creation" and got 589.
Originally Posted by ilwjc
I'm not confused. Call it consciousness or mind, but which came first? The brain or the mind or consciousness?
I take it you don't have the answer.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Originally Posted by ilwjc
A person's personality is exactly that, who he is. He is not a dead person.
His soul, which is his will and emotions is seperate from the brain.
The brain was not first as it was there encasing the mind, but when brain died, person left. Mind gone...brain still here.
My question is from the beginning........go back with me thousands of years to where we can find a brain. Can you find one? I did.
Where would we find it?
Those all important questions;
Who..........made the brain first?
What.....is the brain first?
Where.....was the brain first?
When...was the brain made first?
Why.....was it made first?
How....was it made first?
There had to be a reason or purpose for the brain.
To encase a mind.
A mind has no need of a brain if it does not exist, but a brain must have a mind or it would have no purpose to exist.
Man searches for what he needs. This is a fact.
Brains do not search, but minds can and do.
The mind is a man-made concept. If u really want to know what "the mind" is, it's electrical impulses in the brain.
Originally Posted by ilwjc
Ever hear of hunters and gatherers?
Did the mind hunt for a brain to exist in?
Or did the brain hunt for a mind to exist in it?
Not possible for brain and mind to appear at once since baby knows nothing, must be taught.
What r u talking abotu and what in the heck kind of point r u trying (and failing) to make?
I would think that everyone has a right to earn a living, doing what they feel they are the best at doing. Unless you think we should work for nothing. If that is the case you can have them send your paycheck to our missions department, I will see to it that your money goes to people that need it more than you do.
Since lying is what he (Hovind) does best than he has a right to make a living from it?? Does not sound very Christ like to me, Johnny. Yes John, sure, I will be sure to slip you a check in the mail, so you can spread your kooky ideas globally.
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The brain absorbs knowledge and it can also absorb pills, also placeboes.
The brain holds the mind, or let me put it this way.....the body holds the person.
Give a dead person pills and see how much it helps.
Give a dying person pills and it is in vain.
If a person is depressed and is given anti depressant, the pill is simply lying to the person that he is not depressed, because if you take the pill away he is depressed still. Placeboes do the same to many people, it is all in the thinking.
Pills do not take away depression. if they did, no longer would the pills be needed after one or two.
A person is having seizures and the brain is cut in half so to speak. The brain was left too small to hold all of mind, which in that case was diseased so person cannot have seizures.
Pills are good and bad, mostly bad.
If you eat food and get fat, your body was following your mind .......as in pills, the brain follows the mind and absorbs the pills.
Ok so if the brain is just a knowledge sponge, why do people often have personnality changes when their brain is damaged? Why do losing certain areas makes one lose stuff like: the will to live, the ability to understand a joke and laugh, etc.
"Give a dead person pills and see how much it helps."
Water a dead plant and see how much it help. (whats the point?)
"If a person is depressed and is given anti depressant, the pill is simply lying to the person that he is not depressed,"
Lol... the pill brings back the chemical balance.
Because depression is a chemical imbalance by the way. Same thing for many mental illness.
And if you put pills in the person's food without his knowledge, it will still make effect. So there's no "lying to the mind". Actually, the placebo effect have nothing to do with curing or actually feeling better. The placebo effect is about -believing- that you are better, that its feels better. It does not actually feel better.
"because if you take the pill away he is depressed still. Placeboes do the same to many people, it is all in the thinking."
haha... he is depressed still because the chemical unbalancement is back.
I hate quacks. The things you says are quacks, unverified claims which do not hold any water. All empty theories.
"Pills do not take away depression. if they did, no longer would the pills be needed after one or two."
The pill never claimed to "take away" depression. "depression" is not a separate thing from the brain or the mind, it is a state of those. The chemical imbalance in the brain automaticaly and directly affect the consciousness.
"A person is having seizures and the brain is cut in half so to speak. The brain was left too small to hold all of mind, which in that case was diseased so person cannot have seizures."
Makes me think about some people who have both their 2 brains separated and have the "secondary" effect of having their 2 halves not agreeing on some stuff.
Ever saw "Dr Strangelove"? At the hand, the guy make an Hitler salute and his other hand try to hold his saluting arm. This kind of behavor appear for real in certain cases. (not necesseraly divided brain but anyways)
"If you eat food and get fat, your body was following your mind .......as in pills, the brain follows the mind and absorbs the pills."
So... the mind breaks that famous thermodynamic Law? It have a supernatural effect on matter? No, sorry. The brain is entirely mechanical, it is made of atoms and act just like a pack of atoms. We know that the mind goes in synch with the brain. So, logically, the mind is secondary to the brain's activities.
I also saw a certain research paper showing that we are conscious of our choices some millisecond after making them. Such as "choosing" to lift an arm.
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The brain absorbs knowledge and it can also absorb pills, also placeboes.
The brain holds the mind, or let me put it this way.....the body holds the person.
Give a dead person pills and see how much it helps.
Give a dying person pills and it is in vain.
If a person is depressed and is given anti depressant, the pill is simply lying to the person that he is not depressed, because if you take the pill away he is depressed still. Placeboes do the same to many people, it is all in the thinking.
Pills do not take away depression. if they did, no longer would the pills be needed after one or two.
A person is having seizures and the brain is cut in half so to speak. The brain was left too small to hold all of mind, which in that case was diseased so person cannot have seizures.
Pills are good and bad, mostly bad.
If you eat food and get fat, your body was following your mind .......as in pills, the brain follows the mind and absorbs the pills.
antidepressents work by altering neurochemisty
for instance, SSRI antidepressants block the reuptake of serotonin from the synaptic cleft. This alters the way neurons fire, which alters mood, because mood is dependent on the way neurons fire
when the corpus callosum is cut in patients with severe seizures, it is simply to prevent the abnormal neuronal firing from crossing to the other side of the brain, it has nothing to do with the size of the "mind"
Yes, it does and it has been proven already (remember Agassi?) that brain size has nothing to do with intelligence.
yes, I fail to see how this supports your ridiculous claim about the physiological processes behind epilepsy and the rationale for performing brain "splitting" surgery
the brain is the mind, and there's no compelling evidence to the contrary
Many years ago in Spain, a man died and it was discovered that he had no brain...only a little water was actually in his skull, yet it was a fact that he had lived a totally normal life and thought and reasoned.
The big question to the doctors was how did he manage to think, yet think he did.
Like the woman who sees yet the doctors know she is physically blind.
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