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Old 9th October 2004, 11:59 AM
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Is Yeshua G-d or Not

I ask this question this way so that the discussion does not go into the circular reasoning of trinitarians who say that they are not being understood. I personally do not see the Messiah who is Yeshua as also being G-d who sent his Messiah, which to me does not make any sense. How does one say that the one who sent is the one sent him.

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Originally Posted by PaladinValer
The Trinity is Three Persons of One Essense and One God.
Shalom,
That is why I wrote it like I did. I don't care how you believe your trinity.

Is Yeshua G-d Or Not? If you believe he is G-d then why do you believe such a thing?

G-d Bless,
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
How about these?
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Oh and "yes He is God"
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Originally Posted by tulc
How about these?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

tulc(sorry you don't like trinitarians, we try and keep to ourselves )
Yes in the begining G-d spoke a word and it came into being.
All things were made by him, he spoke a word and it became so. That would include the Host and the Sons of G-d.
I don't dislike trinitarians, I dislike their doctrines, and I dont want this thread turning into a circular trinitarian debate.

G-d Bless,
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Originally Posted by tulc
Oh and "yes He is God"
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Shalom tulk,
My Sabbath was wonderfull thank you. I hope you have a good week.
G-d Bless,
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John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
If you take this literally, then I can see how Jesus could be God. If you see it as highly metaphorical, then that's another story.
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Originally Posted by JSynon
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
If you take this literally, then I can see how Jesus could be God. If you see it as highly metaphorical, then that's another story.
Shalom JSynon,

I guess it would depend on how you saw it as literal. I take it literal and all I see is the one born of a word spoken by G-d.

G-d Bless,
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Originally Posted by D.W.
Shalom JSynon,

I guess it would depend on how you saw it as literal. I take it literal and all I see is the one born of a word spoken by G-d.

G-d Bless,
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Hello(shalom) Jsynon,

The messiah is G-d Himself:

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace


Micah 5
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Who else besides G-d, has been "from everlasting".

And finally the icing on the cake:

I, [even] I, [am] the LORD Y@hovah; and beside me [there is] no saviour.isaiah 43:11
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